Calls? Did he call Netanyahu and threaten him to withhold weapons? We've heard this one before. Time to start showing results.
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I know this is way later than I or anyone whose been screaming for ceasefire wished for, but I'm so glad something has changed. I hope this is the just a start.
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Just had to wait for there to be 30,000 Palestinian deaths first.
9/11 had 2,996 deaths for a little bit of context. Just imagine what would be happening right now if there were 30,000 dead Americans.
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Immediate but not permanent. Stop giving them bombs and ammo if you are sincere Joe. Oooooooh nooooes you're not.
Also where does it say in the article that he calls for an immediate ceasefire besides the title ??It is all about dropping humanitarian aid, which in fact is to allow IDF continue the massacre. It is nowhere in other news outlets that he calls for a ceasefire. Also also also, I would expect he is the only one who could enforce it, rather than ask it. Nice distraction attempt. .
Anyway damage is done, good luck with Donut T fellow Americans. The not
They haven’t sent them either of those things since last year. Only aide for Gazans recently.
If you were sincere in caring for gazans you’d be aware that when you say good luck with trump, you’re saying good luck with him to Palestinians, who will definitely suffer much worse under him. He will encourage bibi to finish them off. He’s very vocal about this.
Ohhh nooooos you’re not
Biden has been trying his very best this year to give israel 15 Billion in weapons as fast as possible.
Trump can't do much worse than this Nazi style Genocide. If there's still Palestinians left to Genocide after November that is.
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I am well aware of that thank you. But I am not able to show any satisfaction for Biden's less than bare minimum action. It's genocide we are talking about and his "call" for a ceasefire is a discussion with Italian PM that started with "we are trying to work out a deal that...". Is that the best he can do?? Bibi's gonna say fuck you again. I really don't see where the enthusiasm for that "news" comes from
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If he wanted to wrap up the election rn, he'd break formal relations with Israel and target IDF forces entering any UN green zones.
I'd also love to see what an F-35 would do to a Merkava
Hamas' RPGs are already fucking them up, I don't think it takes an F35.
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Congratulations "Uncommitted" voters and other protesters, it looks like you are at least part of making Biden's "blank check" support of Israel too politically expensive to continue. It will be interesting to see how this plays out as Biden tries to balance actions around an angry electorate vs. pro-Israel factions and money (which non-profit watchdog Open Secrets says he's the largest recipient of). Especially with the unofficial cease-fire deadline of Ramadan only 10 days away which is expected to be the launch of an Israeli offensive in Rafah barring a temporary cease-fire agreement. I say temporary because Netanyahu is cited in that article as saying, "If we have a deal, it will be delayed somewhat, but it will happen. If we don't have a deal, we'll do it anyway".
I hope this "no excuses" change in tone will yield meaningful results and most importantly relief for the civilians in Gaza.
I feel like it was that gunning down incident with the humanitarian aid that ultimately tipped the scales.
I know I've been going on defense for Israel a lot recently, but I am kinda playing messenger boy as a neutral for being both here and some pro-Israel groups. The Michigan vote didn't really phase them, that incident did. Seen them even sharing more info about how ridiculously strict Bibi is with aid in general.
Nah israel did shootings like that every week. Biden doesn't care about brown people dying. I'd argue that the hospital massacre israel committed was far worse optically
Michigan did this. All the people that refused to bend the knee and vote for Biden in December if he continues the Genocide.
And Aaron Bushnell. His sacrifice was a huge turning point.
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I think the Michigan vote and subsequent media coverage was meaningful, but I agree there's no denying the shooting had a big impact. Thank you for adding that perspective. My guess is having both happen so close to each other increased the total effect. Regardless, it's going to be an important 10 days coming up.
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You must be some Russian/MAGA spam bot!! How dare you encourage them to just hand over the election to trump!
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I know you're making a joke, but it really is a crazy year to be an American voter. I laughed at Bill Burr's take in December when he said (among other funny things) "I want someone in their 40's. Someone who is going to have to live with their decisions". I'm biased though because I've enjoyed Bill's brutal comedy for years.
Trump would be a disaster in all respects, so I guess that decides things. Biden's domestic policies don't feature destroying checks and balances on power and revenge/witch hunts as key features. Democracy is supposed to be rule of the people via elected officials who genuinely represent them, so I'm happy to see the beginnings of a change in tone at least (and I dearly hope policy) from Biden. I'm definitely not cheering for another 2016.
Man that audio/video of Bibi saying genocide would continue and they were gonna level Gaza because the American people have given them a blank check and full support ..yea ..that was everything I expected from that fascist.
And as fascists (and corporatists; tho any difference is arguable) always do, he said the quiet part out loud, insinusting Israel's stretched past their compacity while invigorating the anti-genocide (which I would hope is all of us, but clearly isn't. I don't see how a moral person rationalizes killing 20000 children) center/left to bolder action against Biden.
The news getting out of Bibi's forces beating down the Orthodox in Jerusalem for protesting is indicative of a few things, mainly that dissent at home is greater than his propaganda machine can keep the lid on. His propaganda machine has been busch league, AT BEST. Obviously lying with AI generated photos. Idk about you, but I can't believe a single thing that comes out of a zionists mouth. If the world didn't stop their aggression, I think we all know full well they would've killed every single Palestinian down to the last.
Zionist has become as negative a word to me as Nazi. The only difference being pro-jew or anti-jew. I spit at them both.
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Losing a few votes in a primary sure does motivate a guy.
Egypt and Qatar promised Israel that if it sent a delegation to Doha this week for talks on the humanitarian aspects of the proposed deal, they would bring answers from Hamas on which hostages are still alive and put pressure on the group to be flexible on the number of Palestinians prisoners it demands to be released as part of any agreement.
From an article that came out today. Hamas won't even attempt to confirm the hostages it has.
Wah, slow down there Skippy. Let's give this some time to see it can resolve organically.
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Sadly, this headline seems to be misleading. Checking for additional sources, I can find none that confirm that he actually called for a ceasefire.
According to the Associated Press, he did decry the loss of life in Gaza and announce that the US are about to commence airdrops of humanitarian aid, but at no point did he seem to do what this headline implies.
A Reuters article covering the same conference mentions the possibility of a ceasefire, but this apparently referred to a previous conversation a few days ago.
Unless anyone can find evidence to the contrary, I have to assume that this Newshub article is clickbait.
I found a video of him saying it: https://www.wlbt.com/video/2024/03/01/biden-calls-immediate-cease-fire-gaza/
"For at least 6 weeks"
That's a start at least.
Thanks, I couldn't find that part anywhere.
I'm personally not sure that saying "We're trying to work out ... an immediate ceasefire" has nearly the same urgency as as calling for one, but hey at least it's something.
Well, especially considering he has the leverage to just go "you stop that now or no more arms" and Israel would have no choice but stop that instant, "trying to negotiate a deal" is a particularly weak choice of words.
I'm not sure that Israel actually would have to stop in that circumstance. It's a wealthy country with one of the world's biggest arms industries, and it's not like this is a peer conflict
That's why I did a double take when I saw the above headline. Biden finally putting his foot down and strong-arming Israel into a ceasefire would be huge.
But alas...
He had to. He should have done it months ago tbh.
The mowing down of 700 people and killing 100 who were trying to get food and water is the last straw. Bibi is toast now. You'll see a speech in the Knesset soon calling for his ouster and an end to the veto coverage Israel had in the UN.
Pretty sure the government has been trying to talk Israel down since things got way out of scope in November. But Bibi wants blood.
Bibi is now Hitler Lite in my opinion. The number of deaths aren't quite there or the level of cruelty, but the intent and mindset is exactly the same and he could easily get to that cruelty and deathcount if not stopped.
The amount of children being killed in Gaza every day matches that of a big concentration camp at the peak of the Holocaust.
I don’t think there are enough Palestinians on the planet to hit the body count of the holocaust… but that doesn’t mean that Israel’s actions are a lesser evil. Genocide is genocide
Yeah which is why they said the scale is different. They're talking about the mindset because let's face it, Israel wants to turn Gaza into Lebensraum. They've been pretty clear about that.
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He could have done this in October.
Is it too little too late to save his presidential run?
We'll see. He has to get the ceasefire first.
(There was another time Israel bombed and aid convoy (waiting till the aid was in a position to be destroyed), back in October, so its not like the first time they've done this even in this conflict.)
Honestly if he stops this mess now he should get enough lesser evil votes. Gotta also revert his position on the border and other things, but he still has time to save his campaign.
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Ah but he won't stop military aid from going to Israel will he?
Has Israel received any military aid since December? Last I heard they were facing a pause in weapon transfers from the US until they could confirm the weapons were being used in accordance with international law.
There was a sale that Biden bypassed Congress on Dec 29th or 30th. It still takes time to deliver so probably they still received stuff in February but definitely January so within the last month or so for sure.
That was noted as it was above the billions in military aide given annually that are already budgeted. We can still give them that close to 4 billion in aide without announcing as it is already in the budget so yes, we are probably still in February and March giving them aide as it is in our budget (I don’t like it, but say our as I am a US citizens).
I saw the EO that would set the stage for that action but I didn't think it was put into effect yet.
Did the recent combined Ukraine/Israel aid bill flounder?
So far it's passed the Senate, but is being refused a vote in the house. Republicans are attempting to pass an Israel only bill, but Biden has vowed to veto it.