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You know, DOGE, fascist president and corporations dictating what people can do, institutions being ruined, laws being ignored. Is there any way out of that or is it over? Is the USA done?

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 days ago (45 children)

Intensionally, the USA is going to lose its status as a hyperpower. Europe is going to decouple from American defense policy to the point where I can see American military bases close in Europe. An anti-Chinese military alliance will function with or without the USA anchored by India and Japan, but I see that force yielding some territory to China in the near term. There will probably be an increase in the number of wars in general as regions go into conflict without an American threat to maintain borders. Nothing the USA does is likely going to fix this.

Domestically, the administration is the greatest threat to the republic since the Civil War. If Trump is able to be pushed out in the future, there is going to need to be a major re-evaluation of how the American federal government works. This is going to require constitutional changes and the removal of major powers that the President has collected as the federal government grew.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

American here. Maybe I'm going through the five stages of grief and now I'm at acceptance.

Everything in your first paragraph sounds accurate and maybe something that probably needed to happen. America as the World Police is/has been a problem. There were some positives, but a lot of negatives.

The sooner America gets off the stage, the better. We don't deserve the recognition. We can't even feed our own people and yet wield tremendous influence internationally, and maybe it's a positive thing that it ends soon.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

Yes.

The amount of harm already done to your country by Trump and Musk is immeasurable, and will take a generation or more to recover from.

The amount of harm done to your standing in the world is equally bad. The world was skeptical after Trump's first term fucked over the rest of the world, but we were hopeful that maybe the US had learned their lesson?

Nope. They elected a fascist. They RE-elected a known fascist, felon, rapist, idiot-child, psychopath. Worse, they bolstered Musk to get into a seat of unauthorized and unimaginable power.

When Trump announced his idiotic tarrifs, Canada collectively said "that's it - we're divorcing." When he pulled back on the idea for 30 days, Canada said "don't care, still divorcing."

Trump is following the exact model of Hitler, and it's only a matter of time until he actually invades either Greenland or Canada if he's not stopped. The USA has to collapse into ruin and rebuild from scratch before anyone is going to trust them again.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We're on the way down. The Right in this country (well, really, everywhere, but it's more maniacal here) are growing more unhinged. The Dems keep pulling to the right as a result (since at least the 80s). The overtone window keeps shifting. We're absolutely fucked.

William F Buckley was a major source of inspiration for the Right for decades. I recently watched his debate with James Baldwin at Cambridge in 1965. He argued racist points about Black single moms, but he tried to sound compassionate and denounced racism. He hid his racism in plain sight but sounded educated. There's nothing like that now. "They're eating the dogs."

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Define done? Even if the government gets completely dismantled in the short term, who knows what will happen in 10 years time. It will definitely take longer than that to rebuild our position of authority and influence in the global stage, if we ever achieve that, but it's definitely doable in our lifetimes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Yeah, good luck with that.

We don't want your "authority and influence" any more. The US has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they cannot be trusted with the power they've got.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

to rebuild our position of authority and influence in the global stage
...it’s definitely doable in our lifetimes.

Nope. It would take 20 years to rebuild the soft power, connections and goodwill the US has now lost.
But in 20 years, China will have taken over the role the US used to have on the world stage.
They aren't even the less moral option anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

In the short term, yes.

If trump remains in office after this term, absolutely yes.

If we get a different admin - not just another republicrat trump clone - they’re going to have to spend an inordinate amount of time fixing all of trump’s fuckups. One of which should be restricting any wannabe monarch’s ability to rule by decree in the US. So yeah, we’re fucked, and we’re gonna have to spend a lot of effort getting unfucked, digging ourselves out of an oligarchy hole, instead of moving forward from a continually advancing starting point.

E: allies are already turning away from us, politically and economically. They’ll form new alliances and relationships that the US doesn’t get to be a part of, or at least won’t get a leading position in. Same with things like soft power from international aid. China will step in, maybe the EU or even Russia. We lose the goodwill, stability, and any economic “ins” we could have achieved with that soft power. We’re fucked in lots of ways.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Yeah no, this will be long term

First trump term, him fucking over all allies is something the allies could forgive. Second time, not so much. Allies now know they can't rely on the US to be a trustworthy ally.

Trump already destroyed all soft power, he wants to reduce military spending by 50% too, so hard power will be down the drain as well.

Then he's destroying the economy, he increased highcorruption like there is no tomorrow, he is destroying education and he is destroying all oversight on companies

He's working hard on destroying democratic institutions too so forget fair elections, as if the US ever had any.

IMHO, the US will never recover from trump, and that is what it deserves. It always had the great chance to be truely great but it fucked itself around every corner trying to please the rich

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 days ago (1 children)

During my lifetime, the view people have of the US has completely changed.
It used to be "When I grow up, I want to move there." and "Oh, you went to the US on vacation? AWESOME".
Now it's "Why the fuck would you go there, are you stupid?"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago

Agreed on all counts.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 days ago (4 children)

We lose the goodwill

Gone. It's gone. I'm your neighbor. There's no more goodwill. It's been completely replaced with desire to see your hubris teach a collective lesson, and a process of internal reflection on how we can not end up like you.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

My country looked up to the US as a charismatic winner with a big ego and an anger problem, who turned full coked up psychopath now. I listened to the Fall of Civilizations-Podcast a lot and this feels like one. It's scary to watch and I feel sorry for all the good people living in this mess. But I agree, there is no sympathy left. Let the raging insanity humble the evil empire.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hope you effectively learn that lesson. I don’t blame any country for turning away from the US. Stupid people electing destructive narcissists and doing absolutely nothing to prevent it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Not just them

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 days ago

what do you mean "done"? the answer is obviously no, but i want to know more specifically what your question is. why was this even posted? where is your house

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It won’t end without armed conflict

Fascists don’t understand anything else

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 days ago

Communist revolution

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