Citizens United has been fucked since jump
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So they throw this impossible task out there, something they can put all their energy and rhetoric into which will ultimately not bear results in my lifetime, and they can say see I was fighting against this tyranny.
This is such a bald-face transparent PR move I hope everyone sees it for what it is.
Dipshits: Dems are just as bad! They don't want to change the system!
Dems: *prove again they want to change the system*
Dipshits: Oh yeah? Well . . . why didn't they do it already then?!?!
Genuinely, why didn't they? Why didnt they do it when they had both the house and Senate? Are you somehow deluded into thinking this will actually go anywhere with the Republicans holding as much power as they currently are? This is just virtue signaling.
Have you heard of the filibuster or the fact that it's been used by default on almost every piece of legislation for decades?
When did they have the house and the senate? Literally - how many Congressional working days did they have a majority in the House and Senate?
Did you say Zero days? Because that's the right answer. https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2020:_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate
Your link contradicts your point. A 50/50 split with a Democrat tie breaker is a Democrat majority.
Citizen United was decided January 21, 2010. Democrats controlled both House and Senate 2009-2010 and 2021-2022.
A constitutional ammendment takes 2/3s of both chambers and 3/4 of the states. It also takes years. How' the hell were they going to do that in those brief windows with slim majorities?
The house and Senate were literally both controlled by the Dems when Citizens United became a law lmfao
Citizens United became law?
Really? When was that? What was the bill number? Who sponsored Citizens United law?
lmfao what a joke
Law, policy, a lifting of prohibitions, call it whatever you want dude, you haven't proved your point, you're just being pedantic.
Jesus christ, why not comment on sports where your feelings about something are the whole of the matter.
Call it what you want? FFS.
Lol devolving into insults instead of making any kind of worthwhile point huh? I could call it a judgement or decision if that makes your panties untwist.
Point is, Dems had the house and Senate when it went into effect. They've had many opportunities over the years to do something about it, even if that something is just akin to what they are doing now. But it took a billionaire shadow president for them to even make noise about it. It's just virtue signaling.
Lol devolving into insults instead of making any kind of worthwhile point huh? I could call it a judgement or decision if that makes your panties untwist.
well, as you so intuitively apprehend, the issue is that it was not a law, it was never passed, and has absolutely zero to do with Democrats having a majority, and passing whatever they want, as your original premise held. Since you've been so kind as to acknowledge that these matters of national legislation can indeed be "called what you want", let's refer to it as a Supreme Court decision.
(Note for those outside the United States: The Supreme Court is a separate branch of the US government, and has only retroactive bearing on the activities of the Congress.)
Now that our collective panties are untwisted, what the fuck do you think a Democratic majority has to do with an individual Supreme Court decision? Is that a worthwhile fucking point? I would say so, yes.
Point is, Dems had the house and Senate when it went into effect.
Again - what the fuck do you think that means? It means nothing.
They've had many opportunities over the years to do something about it
Oh have they? Congressional historian are you? Big into following the vagaries of the House and Senate? No. No you're not. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. "Many opportunities". Give me one. One opportunity when they could do something about it and specifically chose not to. (In other words, whatever they did during that "many opportunity" was much less important than campaign reform.)
But it took a billionaire shadow president for them to even make noise about it. It's just virtue signaling.
Bullshit. You're making up bullshit because you don't know why you're wrong.
Here's a brilliant insight for everyone who's convinced this is a simple situation: it is not. If you've never been involved in anything more complicated than a project rollout or a school play you might not appreciate this, but passing a Constitutional amendments is not just complicated but it's ridiculously difficult to do - because it was set up to be difficult to do. Passing a law only marginally less so.
Should the Democrats have been railing about campaign reform at every speech from the moment the SCOTUS inflicted it on us? Yes. Yes they should. But as it happens there are other things going on in the government, and they may have been limited somewhat by the fact that less than five fucking percent of registered voters can see clear to getting them enough leeway to get it done.
Partially because of this idiot logic that "they could have done it and didn't want to".
Jfc. They and both houses of Congress multiple times since Citizens United and didn't do shit. Bringing it up now, when it won't even get through Congress, let alone the states, is a fucking distraction
Even then they never had the support to pass this or any constitutional ammendment.
It is with a sense of similar urgency that I am proposing an amendment to make every Thursday a national holiday.
Like the Democrats, I also do not have any power to enact this, let alone enforce it, but the important part is that I proposed something impossible instead of actually doing literally anything to stop this.
Yup more useless posturing.
I can't quite decide if this is just virtue signalling or not from the Democrats. I know some of them would genuinely support it, but this feels very much like it is too little, too late - if they were actually serious about saving democracy in the US, they could have done this when it actually stood a chance of being useful.
Criticism against CU isn't new, Dems had every opportunity to propose this when they had control of the WH and Congress just 3 years ago. Only now are they making a scene of reeling back corporate influence because they know it'll never pass
It was proposed almost immediately after CU but then, just as now, they never had the support to get it done.
Yep, bullshit useless lib posturing.
This is one of the single biggest changes we can make to our current electoral system.
Should’ve done this in 2021. This could’ve changed the 2024 election entirely.
There was less than a 0٪ chance that they could have passed a constitutional ammendment in 2021.
What did they do in 2021 instead?
Probably nothing else going on really. They're just lazy and fat off corporate cash piles, obviously.
Nothing. That’s the problem. Democrats are so afraid to play an opposition party cause it will negatively affect party leadership and top donors. They want the status quo and are more than likely benefiting from the Trump regime in many ways.
Make no bones about it: top Democrats have been complacent with a hostile takeover of the US government because it is benefiting them.
Progressive Democrats and party newcomers are seeing this reality. They tried to play the game for a bit but got burned like Bernie did. Some democrats are finally growing a backbone to stand up against geriatric party leadership.
would have been more useful when you had any kind of power to get a bill passed, but thanks anyway i guess
A bill can't overturn a SCOTUS ruling on the constitutionality of something. That's why they are proposing an ammendment.
Stow that shit. This is exactly what they need to be doing. They need to make the argument to the American people that they have better ideas and a better plan for America, and then create a voting record for Congress so they can beat them in the next election. Of course it won't pass, but if they give up without even trying, then the Nazis can act like they are the only option.
Bullshit. They should not be focusing on zero chance gestures while real people are struggling. They choose this BECAUSE it wont pass so they don't have to fight to help people, it's a distraction that not only wont stop fascism, but give it time to deepen its roots while they waste energy on an impossible task.
Their argument to the American people doesn't matter. Millions of Americans are still happy with what's happening and we have a government that will use violence to get what it wants. We need a coalition of countries to step on America's dick and grind it into the ground. We deserve it for the shit we've done around the world.
Millions of Americans are wrong. What's your plan for that? Violence? Reeducation camps for shitbags? Conservatives are everywhere, and they're all salivating to take advantage of the chaos created by the fall of Rome. If you think getting our collective dick stepped on is going to result in a better tomorrow, you need to pick up a history book.
They should have been submitting this every session since the citizens united decision. Even with no hope of success, they could be forcing every member of Congress to openly declare their loyalty to the oligarchs.
But, if they did that, then the oligarchs would think they were disloyal.
Agreed, just frustrating that they wait until their corpo donors are done signing checks for a big election year. Would've been a huge game changer years ago when Dems were in control and perhaps would've proven everyday Americans support progressive policies
I agree, but i aint gonna stow it. Why didnt they introduce it when they were able to maybe pass it? Im not going to refrain from criticizing them just because worse people are in power.
Why didnt they introduce it when they were able to maybe pass it?
And when the fuck do you daydream that was?
How long have you been in national politics? Because it sounds like, y'know, not long.
when they were able to maybe pass it?
Lmfao when was this? A constitutional amendment of any kind has zero chance of getting passed by anyone and hasn't in the entire time the Citizens United ruling has existed.
Democrats around that time could barely muster enough votes from the Republicans to pass the milquetoast, conservative ACA via simple majority. You're deluded if you think Democrats ever could've plausibly reversed Citizens United via amendment.
you're right, i didnt read closely enough, a constitutional amendment is and would have been hot air at any time since the descision.
A law would be something that they might be able to get passed if they actually wanted to pass it, which they dont, because thats how they all got into power.
A law would be something that they might be able to get passed if they actually wanted to pass it
Again, no. Not how this works. "Actually wanting to pass" a bill is certainly a part of it. Then there's the 99% of the rest of it that has to be done. It's not like opening a bag of chips.
ok?