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Donations to Luigi Mangione's legal defense fund slowed, then surged (abcnews.go.com)

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 15 hours ago (53 children)

I know it’s exited the news cycle, but I still remember this was a big thing for the left and right to both agree on supporting. I’d very much like to prompt Trump for his opinion on the man to force him to take a side.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 13 hours ago

prompt Trump for his opinion on ~~the man~~ anything to force him to take a side.

That's how you get banned from the press pool.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Pray for Saint Luigi

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 20 hours ago

https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect

[–] [email protected] 34 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Anyone smarter than me in law know if there is even a remote chance he walks?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Aside from the nullification and hung jurys, there's a good chance for a mistrial from them parading him around and letting everyone in the US know he fought for them.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not good at law but I have heard from people smarter than me that there are chances for at least a hung jury (I think could be retried) and there's also another option called jury nullification, where the jury essentially says, "yeah we know he is guilty but we don't agree with the law in this case" and acquits.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

Every jury I've ever been on has been hung, just by averaging alone

[+] [email protected] -82 points 19 hours ago (9 children)

The jury nullification thing pisses me off.

I get that people don't want Luigi to go to jail but wishing for juries to just make up the law based on the vibe of the case is just bonkers.

The court system is a joke already.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

He isn't a threat to the public. No need to lock him up. Odds are good he won't reoffend either.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Jury's have kind of always been vibes. There's plenty of black kids that got the guilty verdict and hung and later it was revealed to be the womans father or friend of the family that raped.

It is important to be more than a clockwork orange, understand the law but don't apply it with such rigidity as to be devoid of morals or humanity.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I have two arguments to defend jury nullification. First of all, in our system "jury nullification" is NOT a policy. It is the name for the inevitable fact to that members of a jury can decide to vote "innocent" without being subject to some kind of interrogation.

My second argument is this: I think jury nullification is actually a good policy, because the only thing it produces are delays unless fully 12 out of 12 randomly selected citizens think this application of the law is completely unfair. If the citizenry believes a law is unfair with that much unanimity it probably IS unfair.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Well, to your first point, jurors cannot be held accountable for their verdict. Obviously if they could the whole system breaks down. Jurors can exploit this protection to return a false verdict with impunity, but it is exactly that - false testament. Others will try to say that jury nullification is an intended feature of the legal system but IMO it's just exploiting a limitation.

Secondly, you're not talking about an unfair law, you're talking about an unjust outcome. All laws will produce unjust outcomes in some specific circumstances. However a law against murder reduces more harm than it causes, so it's worth upholding.

To me, the idea of having juries decide to set aside the law in cases they feel are unjust is an absurdity. Imagine if Trump were on trial and the jury unanimously returned not-guilty despite obvious guilt.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, both Biden and Trump set aside the law by not actually banning TikTok, so it makes sense that at least in some specific instances, normal people are allowed to as well.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago

The court system is a joke already.

It always was

[–] [email protected] 43 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Why let only judges make the jokes then and not the people in the jury too?
Imho that's a fairness in a sometimes unfair system.

[+] [email protected] -11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's really not a "fairness" because every case will be heard by different jurors with no legal experience.

The "fairness" you're talking about will depend on the popularity of the accused.

Do you honestly believe Luigi would enjoy the support he has of he were an aging overweight bald guy?

At its core, jury nullification is about deciding cases based on the vibe.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I do believe that the perception of the action of which Luigi got accused weighes orders of magnitude more than the perception of his appearance or his popularity.
It's not him who was popular in the first place.
It was what was done.
Accusing him of it in turn made him popular. That would've worked for other people too.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

No. He's going to die in prison. I'm not happy about that fact. I'm just telling the truth. Just like there's zero chance Charles Manson ever gets out. There's zero chance Luigi gets out.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Might happen. Then when a sensible government gets in, somewhere down the line, we pardon him and make him secretary of HHS

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Then slowed... then surged... then slowed... then surged... then slowed... then they had some orange juice and a muffin... and now they're surging again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

Then it fell into the swamp

[–] [email protected] 182 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Sanders was the compromise choice

Luigi 2028

[–] [email protected] 56 points 13 hours ago

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