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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

This is my sad hill to die on, I guess, despite my personal feelings on why anti-discrimination across all aspects is important for society. But after reading some informed perspectives, I think I get where some of the DEI pushback is coming from.

It’s not about diversity, equity or inclusion individually, but DEI as a concept, ie as an actionable form of some underlying ideology. It doesn’t matter if the practitioners of DEI may not subscribe to any underlying ideology, the fact is that DEI opponents are unconvinced about the allegiances of DEI practitioners in special contexts, like the military.

I personally don’t care about having DEI in corporate or education contexts, but i think the concern there is that if the public thinks one way, then it will question why the military/govt doesn’t want to. So, I think I get why they removed DEI/CRT from corporate and education as well.

Per my understanding, the pushback is coming jointly from the military, and the main point of contention was the CRT-derived idea of “inherent racism” or “whites as oppressors”. For example,

CRT scholars argue that the social and legal construction of race advances the interests of white people[9][12] at the expense of people of color,[13][14] and that the liberal notion of U.S. law as "neutral" plays a significant role in maintaining a racially unjust social order,[15] where formally color-blind laws continue to have racially discriminatory outcomes.[16]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

Here’s an article which says why DEI was necessarily started (the writer is an academic)

DEI policies and practices were created to rectify the government-sanctioned discrimination that existed and systemic oppression that persists in the United States.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/beyond-the-cubicle/202411/what-we-get-wrong-about-the-dei-backlash-narrative

You have to appreciate why some part of the American armed forces pushes back on these ideas when your CO may be white, and you a minority. There are practical considerations to having such ideas in the back of your mind when you’re supposed to act without question and as a unit.

Here’s some context for reading https://starrs.us/dei-how-to-have-the-conversation/

Here’s another perspective from a Stanford professor, https://amgreatness.com/2024/03/25/will-dei-end-america-or-america-end-dei/

Edit to clarify, I am not saying that we shouldn’t have anti-discrimination policies across different aspects of being a person. I am saying this is why some people don’t like/want DEI or CRT (which are distinct and separate from the existing anti-discrimination policies). And yes, I know the military has issues regarding race and sex discrimination. But I think people can address those without DEI or CRT.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The alternatives to DEI are:

Conformity Inequity Exclusion

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or you could ask them if they know what DEI stands for.

Spoiler Alert: They don't.

They love hating acronyms and nicknames repeated by their media sources that they know literally nothing about.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I Oppose Deathcamps, Extermination, and Invasion (aka: the nazi f' Elon and the Felon's policies)

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think qualified people should be hired. May the best person for the job be hired, without even considering race, or anything other than skill. DEI is veiled discrimination.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Shenanigans. We're not hiring unqualified people. It's capitalism afterall. There's no tolerance for throwing out money.

DEI is about making sure you interview people you normally wouldn't for whatever reason. If they suck, they suck and don't get the job. It's not a quota.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I don't think you understand what DEI is or how it works if you feel that it is discriminatory.

It just exists to make sure that people are given a fair shake not that anyone gets an automatic leg up.

DEI programs are what let the best person for the job be hired. Without them people are discarded simply because of their name or race or etc etc.

If you truly want the best person for the job to be hired you support DEI initiatives because that's the whole idea and point of it.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not sure how that would stop anyone tbh

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Are you sure it's not Democrats, Education and Immigrants?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

More like Democracy (Jan 6), Elections (Voter-Roll Purges, and other forms of Voter Suppression), and International Cooperation (Paris Agreement Withdrawl)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mostly like DEI. But I'm concerned that it is running cover for corporations. DEI is not about expanding opportunities to people evenly. DEI is about expanding opportunities to people that make the company more money. DEI alone is not enough for a fair and equitable society.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

It isn't, but it sure is an improvement

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've heard the E as both Equity and Equality. Anyone know which it's supposed to be?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

The way it was explained to me is, equality is giving everyone equal support. Equity is allocating support unevenly to those who need it most.

Those who advocate meritocracy in bad faith really don't like equity.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago

This is a stupid take, equally as stupid as saying "I'm not pro BLM because I believe that all lives matter" (for the same reason)

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