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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Average premiums have risen 31 percent across the country since 2019, and are steeper in high-risk climate zones. Over the next 30 years, if insurance prices are unhindered, they will, on average, leap another 29 percent,

More likely, over next 6 years will match increase since 2019. Taxpayer subsidies of insurance doesn't count. Neither does Florida type "deregulation" which makes it easier for insurance to avoid paying claims.

Other quote from article is that insurance is now 20% of a mortgage payment. A 30 year amortization at 5.31% means total interest payments equal to loan. Current interest rates are about 2% higher than this. But historical home appreciation is 3%, and when mortgage rates are above 3%, then you fundamentally expect to lose money except for the distortions of taxes on interest payments vs rent. Rent avoidance + interest tax credits can still make ownership attractive, but at least balanced long term vs rent alternatives.

That 20% of mortgage payment though is equivalent to 1.33% on full home value. Up from 0.5%. OP is projecting it will rise in some parts of the country to over 5% of value. Which is about right for what used to be 500 year events happening less than every 10 years. Insurance could go up much quicker and to higher levels since global warming means even worse than current disaster levels.

But the expectation of historical 3% annual home appreciation, goes straight to 1.5% depreciation expectations when insurance goes from 0.5% to 5% of value. Construction cost inflation is also insurance (because of "value" and replacement cost) inflation. Home prices are currently overvalued due to high interest rates making people not being able to afford trading up in homes due to high mortgage costs, and so not selling their home, limiting supply. Very low new construction levels due to same effect. One effect of mass deportations is lower home values due to fewer tenants, while also keeping interest rates high due to less cheap labour availabe, inflation. Tariffs/war on Canada means vast Canadian 2nd homes in US up for sale.

Housing depreciation will cause banking collapses and recessions, leading to more housing depreciation. Bankster bailouts (banks are the important people) reduce US financial credibility even more, and even higher interest rates to depreciate home values more with more bank bailouts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

You guys own homes?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Overlay a county granular map of new housing starts in 2024, with a map of home insurance premiums rising, and you'll likely soon see yet another way the entire US housing market is an outright fucking scam.

There are some exception areas, but basically?

Pretty much all the new homes are being built in areas that are expected to basically flood or burn down or be without utilities from blizzards or massive drought/heatwaves continuously, moving forward.

Efficient Market Hypothesis Confirmed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Seems like the nomads had the right idea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I countered this by adding a pissing cherub fountain to my landscaping. It's called "curb appeal".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Mehh

The issue isnt that house values will decline, they will decline whether we act or not (it will neither be linear, nor be applied equally)

What can happen is it won't be as bad if the decline is managed as best we can, rather then the inevitable unmitigated mess if we just keep doing what we're doing now. Alas that's the path weve chosen.

Some of the problem here is theres no recognition of a job well done (managed abandontment, reduced emissions etx), the irony is the ones making the mess who respond the best to the disasters, get most of the accolades. Like Taykor Swift donating to an LA fire charity.

No countries are supporting banning flying, banning new road building and only building PT and cycling infrastructure etc etc so the mess can only get worse as we bury our heads further up our own ass and gaze upon the unholy mess we created (pun intended)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Propublica link to the same article

No offense to op but I think they deserve the clicks more than NYT

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

NYT has been trash for a while, sadly, thanks for the alternate link.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Climate Change? Not the concentration of real estate into the hands of the few who no longer make profit from owning it?

K.

Edit: let me add more to this; if it wasn't climate change, it would be something else. It's a bubble. If you aren't aware of this you're either quite literally living under a rock, or don't know how graphs work. Housing prices have simply gone up while wages continue to stagnate and housing supply has been artificially reduced.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Don’t, and will never, own a home due to greedy landlords.

Don’t care.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Don’t, and will never, own a home due to greedy landlords.

Not sure if you typed correctly. Owning a home is an escape from greedy landlords. Maybe you are saying you will always be poor due to greedy landlords?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This will still impact you and in ways that will be immediately apparent. The loss of houses means that those former home owners will have to find new property to purchase - only to see the same astronomical price tag you see. So they become renters. That sudden impact on the demand for places to live will find apartments and landlords can now find many more people, some very desperate with a lump sum of a settlement or insurance payout (but not enough to buy another home), that will pay much more than you can. And they don't budget well, which is why they lived in a poor state that flooded so much insurance companies got scared, so they spend way too much without consideration for how long they can afford rent at such high prices.

But hey, you are right about greedy landlords.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

If we ignore the problem long enough, surely it'll go away, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

luckily all the value increase of the last decades has just been false really. Its not losing value as much as returning to its actual value.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

One of the funniest scenes in internet history.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At first, I was like, "Who cares? Land property ownership as an investment vehicle is part of the problem in the US," but then I realized that this article isn't for people like me. This is an article meant to reach the Gen Xers, the Boomers, and others who think they don't have to care, because their property will keep them wealthy enough to avoid the worst Climate Change has to offer.

And if threatening people's wallets is what it takes to get people to see the inescapable danger in doing nothing, then I'm all for it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This will affect renters too if you were implying otherwise. It’s just NYT doesn’t cater to those people so they’re barely mentioned.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

It absolutely does directly affect renters, maybe they could have explained why, but it's relatively obvious: Renters need to pay for owners mortgage interest, insurance and property taxes for owner to be in landlord business. His profits are the expected annual positive home appreciation.