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Why didn't the Democrats release the Epstein client list? (lemmy.today)

submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Trump is probably on the list, so he has to protect that. The Democrats had it during their entire presidency; even if they didn't want turmoil during their time in office, they could have released it after their presidential defeat and before Trump took office.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

Maybe the idea that Epstein was at the head of a global network of paedophiles, involved with trafficking young girls and boys for the likes of Trump, Clinton and Gates is fanciful.

Impossible? No. Improbable? Yes.

The idea that this is all some Mossad psi-op to influence US politics is also bonkers and predictably falls into classic anti-semitic tropes.

Is it tittilating and fun to speculate about with people online? Sure. Does social and traditional media love a good juicy story like this and will continue to give it play and play? Absolutely.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

Propriety, ironically.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

guilty by association.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

What is "the list"? How do we know the government even has "the list"?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Because they said they did.

It's probably the same as the flight logs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Because they said they did.

Did the Biden government say they had "the Epstein client list"?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

No idea, but I read the title like it was the setup to a joke.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago

The Aristocrats!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 16 hours ago

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago

As non-American, the reason I think that Democrats didn't release the list was that not only were some Democrats and their donors on it, they knew that they would be crucified by Republicans and Americans for it. The also knew that at the same time all the Republicans and their donors on the list would be let off because laws, morality, ethics are only ever to be used to oppress the poor and non-whites or to combat Democratic politicians. Do you think Trump would ever have made it to President as a Democrat? There is a reason he switched to become a Republican.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I am wondering now. How could such a list even be proven real or couldn't trump just fake one?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Because anyone (everyone) on that list is going to immediately sue for defamation etc, and if they don't have evidence or they messed up the chain of custody on that evidence, it'll be an issue. They also will be able to look at all the evidence through discovery and see if it's tampered with. So that's why they can't release even 1 name, because they are protecting Trump

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

But still then, how would all this evidence even look like? Some piece of papers and flight logs? Even if they released all the real evidence I suspect it won't hold up against all the people on the list discrediting it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Epstein took extensive video footage of every single thing that happened in his houses. That's why Pam Bondi said it was "child porn." They have the entire act on footage. Blackmail isn't very effective otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think manufacturing the complex evidence needed here wouldn’t be possible.

I had a similar thought. Why didn’t they just release democrat names? And I think it’s because while they know they can claim nothing exists (What they are doing now, after having access), if they try to cherry-pick info and claim that’s all that exists, someone with knowledge in the matter will be able to leak/prove they are cherry picking.

It’s also very tempting to buy into the idea that if the list is as long and vast as some suggest, it will undermine trust in a very real way that goes beyond MAGA/Qanon fringe conspiracy circles. I could see the Trump admin, as stupid and bumbling as they are, recognizing the fire they are playing with.

I hate how kooky that all sounds. What a fucked up situation.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because Democratic leadership is aware that Republicans aren't their actual enemies, and a ton of them are also on the list.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The democrats are aware that their names are on the list and they’re the only ones that will be held accountable for it. The republicans will hold witch burnings while completely ignoring their own member’s names on the list.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

will be held accountable for it

sweet summer child

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The obvious is that Dems are on the list too. Which is undoubtedly true. Even more importantly than that donors. But the fact that Merrick Garland was involved and he'd never to anything to make Trump look bad ever should also be remembered.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago

Because Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin?

[–] [email protected] 129 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For the same reason republicans won't: They're on the list, their friends are on the list and their donors are on the list.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The last point is the most important.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The difference is the democrats didn’t campaign on the promise of releasing it. And MAGAs believed him for some weird reason

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So? Do you think a politician cares about their campaign promisses, or gets held to them? They very often do the exact opposite of what they promised actually

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

The point I’m making is Biden never campaigned on releasing the Epstein files. So it shouldn’t be surprising that he protected the people on the list. Trump did and his idiots fully expected him to release the list because he’s an honest person who keeps his promises. Trump knowingly and intentionally got votes from the psycho qanon types who have always believed trump is playing 4D chess.

It’s important to note that the goal posts have moved. Originally people wanted to see the “black book” which may be what the client list has come from. The black book got released and it’s got lots of people in it but it didn’t prove any crimes, only that he associated with them. People kept talking about it and believed it was being kept secret because nothing happens and no one got charged with anything. I believe the “client list” which appears to be a new idea, is directly talking about a list of people who the fbi have information on of committing crimes where Epstein supplied underaged girls to them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Nobody thinks that. Case in point - Trump is never held to anything he has ever said.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

because includes alot of politicians, donors, and other world leaders, movie executives. just like the panama papers got swept under the carpet, it including tons of rich people.

Gates, musk, trump, hawkings, diddy,,,etc.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Subsequent to the Panama Papers, there were arrests and financial seizures in many of the named countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers?wprov=sfti1#Recovered_money

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Let's not forget the assassination of one of the reporters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia#Death

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There are probably highly placed people in both parties on the list. Is this saying "SeE, tHeY'rE BoTh ThE sAmE!!!"? No, it's saying both have bad actors in them. Neither party has a claim to being morally pristine, because that would be stupid and so is insisting that they should.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's almost like humans, in general, are huge corrupt pieces of shit when they become wealthy and powerful.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The fallacy of overgeneralization. I've never heard of Warren Buffet doing anything malicious, he's just really good at investing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

disowned his granddaughter because she was interviewed on a documentary about the wealthy
propublica published and article pointing out the hypocrisies of his trading ethics and what he publicly states are his ethics
in 2008 he invested $5bln in Goldman Sachs, the company that is considered ground zero for the 2008 recession
continues to support and invest in fossil fuels despite the clear evidence of the dangers to our planet
has been accused of multiple cases of insider trading his entire career

he's no monster, sure. he's also no saint either. he's guilty of being complicit with the current class warfare and division of equality in the world. not only that, he has profited directly by the suffering of people.

to me, that makes him a bad person. I'm sure he'll lose lots of sleep over that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He also bought a lot of land and housing with Berkshire, including prefab houses and trailers, taking over poor people properties and making them more expensive

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