It's open source so why not just take the best parts of it and run it themselves if it is such a worry instead of relying on their app and website.
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They're pissy cause it being open source and more efficient means that it's gonna be more cost effective for people to use. Which is real bad if your company overcommitted to the slop and needs to recover losses.
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They can ban it but I will just go use seekdeep instead :|
as Chinese law allows government access to company-held data.
... Kind of exactly like how US law allows government access to company-held data?
While the calls from Moolenaar could be the first inkling of a possible congressional crackdown, Ross Burley — a co-founder of the nonprofit Centre for Information Resilience — warned that DeepSeek's emergence in the U.S. raises data security and privacy issues for users.
Yeah, because it's just soooo much better to have American plutocrats slurping up our data without consent and getting to do whatever they want with impunity. /s
"What they'll use it for is behavior change campaigns, disinformation campaigns, for really targeted messaging as to what Western audiences like, what they do," he added.
Yeah, because it's just soooo much better to have American plutocrats doing every single one of those things and more in the name of Profit. /s
Our leaders are hilariously tone-deaf.
It's better than our usa tech, sir!
Quick, mark it as a security threat!
Hahahahahahahaha, manufactured consent in full throttle here. Hahahahahaha
*plays the world's smallest violin
Us Corpo got daddy Sam to come protect them from the bad chinaman
Pathetic... Sam altman defrauded microshit, they deserve each other
Weaselly little liars.
Deepseek released the model and showed how they made it. You can run it locally. It doesn't connect to the internet.
Pretty sure they are talking about the app, not the model.
That's the first prong of attack... Low hanging fruit.
Attacking OS model will be a lot harder and less value.
But make no mistake, this is about the model being better haha
National security, anti-terrorism, protecting children.
The trifecta of reasons given for abolishing freedoms
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As we just lost any sort of moral high ground, ok. 2 years ago maybe I'd be worried. 9 years ago I'd definitely have been worried. Today, the enemy of my enemy is my ally.
If they're limiting focus to the Chinese app then they're noir wrong. If they mean the whole model then they're full of crap.
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If it's open source and can be hosted locally, I don't think there are issues with national security in this case.
There is money to be lost though. Always follow the money.
Like TikTok. The national security threat is actually just fear of profit loss.
OpenAI and nividia owners in shambles haha
Of course it's a national security threat, it's just more proof that the US economy is just a giant ponzi scheme.
If China can do it better on a budget of $6m in 18 months with low end equipment, then why does it take an American company 10 years, half a trillion dollars, and the entire nation's supply of high-end graphics cards?
Deepseek used distillation, which is a way of extracting training information from other models through querying the model. In other words, some of the advances came from examining OpenAI’s models. Being first is hardest and took brute force.
Not that America doesn’t have its own problem. But what do the suicide prevention nets looks like at your office. Because they’re everywhere in china because of shitty working conditions. This is how they do shit so cheap.
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First time you do something is always harder. OpenAI just didn't think it was 1000x harder and thought they'd have more time to cash in.
Myself, I think that being able to throw billions of dollars at hardware, and their focus on next-quarter results discouraged them from putting in the human effort to analyze and optimize their process. It turns out there were some fantastic optimizations to do.
MVP in Technology. OpenAI just sat around throwing salt to the wind piling up "value" until they can convince people it is worth some obscene amount of money to sell out. Once you give someone a literal milestone and show them the path, boom.
This really really feels like a real life Tortoise and the Hare story. Like real hard, and I don't feel the least bit bad for the hare.
oh yeah, not denying that the prototype will be more expensive and resource intensive than following versions, but the whole "US overspends on novel technology, China blows that technology out of the water and shows this tech is both accessible and affordable, US bans Chinese product because American companies don't want to compete" shtick is just getting old
Hmm, what are the previous examples?
Electric cars and Huawei are two recent examples off the top of my head
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The model isn’t afaik. I.e., if you download one of the models and run it locally. It’s the app with folks pasting proprietary, company secret, etc data into it.
Really, it’s the same problem as with ChatGPT, but now an organization in another country has your data. I guess we’ll see if our new techno bro overlords try to use this to their advantage across the board to limit competition, even from local processing.
Taking bets.
No data is sent to servers if you run it locally.
I just find it amusing how when proprietary data/company secrets/whatever are being sent to openAI it's a matter of "that was irresponsible don't let it happen again" but some guy in Kentucky isn't able to get a detailed description of Tiananmen Square from the US perspective without a little effort and it's the end of national security as we know it.
Same with the tiktok ban. How many classified military secrets do we think some regular dude in a trailer in Alabama really has on his phone?
"National Security" in the US is literally just code for rich people's bank accounts at this point.
but some guy in Kentucky isn't able to get a detailed description of Tiananmen Square from the US perspective
How about from the perspective of the pro-democracy protestors who were there? Don't turn a brutal crackdown on people trying to gain some control of their lives and their country as an East vs. West problem.
I'm not here to discuss the validity of Tiananmen Square, that was just the example I keep seeing used.
Why does it matter if one source doesn't provide the official CIA story? You can look up how America views that event anywhere.
How is that censorship any worse than US tech companies blocking you from being able to say the word "Republican" in a negative context?
Also, you left out the most important part "without a little effort." Deepseek will happily tell you anything you want about Tiananmen Square from any perspective you ask it with a little creative prompting.
I only commented because you said something stupid about Tiananmen Square that chapped my hide. The rest of it is fine. I'm only responding again because you doubled-down. The CIA version? I was alive at the time and followed the news, including live TV reporting, for days.
Say what you want about the politics of US News channels at that time, they weren't all in lock step with the CIA. I watched as Zhao Ziyang visited with the hunger-striking students, and I watched as the tanks rolled in. Don't try to revise history because you need the US to be the #1 bad guy. China had a chance to reform, and they cracked down instead.
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Deepseek will happily tell you anything you want about Tiananmen Square from any perspective you ask it with a little creative prompting.
Show me. You can get it to say some slightly vague things about it, but you can’t have it say “anything from any perspective”. Can’t we just leave out a conspiracy theory while discussing AI?
Like I said, it just takes creative prompting
Hmm, I was talking about local running, but apparently that's just the non-distilled version, and someone got a very straightforward explanation with the 14B distilled version.
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Well yeah, it’s obviously more of a risk to send directly to your rival than internally. Both are risky but one is much, much worse.
"Internally"
This guy really loves his oligarchs and their government haha
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And what exactly is the average person sending to China that's such a threat to US global Imperialism?
Sure, ban it on government devices or whatever you want to do, but why should civilians be punished because the government can't embezzle as efficiently?
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The War Thunder forum is a greater threat to "national security" than any of this AI whohash. Something, something, nickle...
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I do wonder why do they bother with pretences like this. Would Americans not buy „hey, we’re going to do to Chinese companies what they have been doing to ours for years now”?
It sets bad precedent that the owner class doesn't like.
Either way US government will need to either nationalize or break up these mega corps. This can't go on.
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Lolol.