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A robot trained on videos of surgeries performed a lengthy phase of a gallbladder removal without human help. The robot operated for the first time on a lifelike patient, and during the operation, responded to and learned from voice commands from the team—like a novice surgeon working with a mentor.

The robot performed unflappably across trials and with the expertise of a skilled human surgeon, even during unexpected scenarios typical in real life medical emergencies.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Not fair. A robot can watch videos and perform surgery but when I do it I'm called a "monster" and "quack".

But seriously, this robot surgeon still needs a surgeon to chaperone so what's being gained or saved? It's just surgery with extra steps. This has the same execution as RoboTaxis (which also have a human onboard for emergencies) and those things are rightly being called a nightmare. What separates this from that?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (5 children)

So... Judging by recent trends in AI, this will be used to devalue the labor of surgeons and be provided as the only option available to people who are not rich. People will die from what would get a human charged with neglegent homicide but, it will be covered up and, when it comes to light just how dangerous it is, nothing will happen because all of the regulatory agencies have been dismantled.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

so theoretically they could make sex bots and train them on.... so they perform 'unflappably'!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This was a new word for me, so I had to look it up: It's an... interesting choice of words to describe the success of a robot.
Of course a robot would perform the job unflappably, it is emotionless by design. I'm pretty sure it would go right ahead and murder the patient unflappably as well. The robot "keeping its cool" is not even a question.

That said, this does sound very impressive, even if I think there's some pretty crazy risks involved. Hopefully they have more respect for the problem then self-driving car companies.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

It does until it doesn't

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"OMG it was supposed to take out my LEFT kidney! I'm gonna die!!!!!!"

"Oops, the surgeon in the training video took out a Right kidney. Uhh... sorry."

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

so this helps with costs right? right? 🥺🤔🤨

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It helps the capitalists' profit margins 😊😊😊

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I know, I'm over here trying to light little fires LoL JK but yeah for sure never see reduced costs

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Oh I get it, trust. I'm sure we're both equally mad about it lol

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Okay but why? No thank you.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 days ago (4 children)

without human help

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responded to and learned from voice commands from the team

🤨🤔

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

I have seen enough ER to know that operating theatre staff work as a team. So I consider this would be a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago

They should have specified "without physical human help."

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So are we fully abandoning reason based robots?

Is the future gonna just be things that guess but just keep getting better at guessing?

I’m disappointed in the future.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Reasoning is just informed guessing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

And that's all for analyzing statements. You can't just do that to some words and discover objective truth out of nowhere, so I'm not sure what you think you're accomplishing here. What you're linking is more analogous to the code that underlies an AI(if/while loops and whatnot). Reasoning is closer to the scientific method of forming a hypothesis and whatnot than anything you linked.

You basically just pointed out that there's a math system for logic. Neat.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 days ago

That’s all people are too, though.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Naturally as this kind of thing moves into use on actual people it will be used on the wealthiest and most connected among us in equal measure to us lowly plebs right.....right?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are you kidding!? It'll be rolled out to poor people first! (gotta iron out the last of the bugs somehow)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You really don't understand modern medical bullshit. The rich will be all over this, just like AI, Just like NFTs just like every bullshit thing that comes up they get roped into by a flashy salesman

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, I've been successfully propagandized into thinking rich people became rich through merit, I forgot how many of them are complete morons XD

Thanks for reminding me

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I want that thing where a light "paints" over wounds and they heal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Hold on 3P0...you gotta little piece of human stuff stuck on your right end effector clamp top hinge pin. There, all good! Continue!

[–] [email protected] 95 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Good, now add jailtime for the ceo if something goes wrong, then we'll have a very safe tech.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Inb4 someone added Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Saw to the training data.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Nah, just a thorough reproduction of the consequences of that wrong.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (4 children)

know what? let's just skip the middleman and have the CEO undergo the same operation. you know like the taser company that tasers their employees.

can't have trust in a product unless you use the product.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I understand what you are saying is intended as „if they trust their product they should use it themselves“ and I agree with that

I do think that undergoing an operation that a person doesnt need isnt ethical however

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

who said they won't need it 😐

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Really hope they tried it on a grape first at least.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

thank you for removing my gallbladder robot, but i had a brain tumor

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