TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

I love Discovery. You should definitely give it a chance.

It's not perfect, and some of the complaints in this thread are completely valid, but I attribute the ferocity of the hate it gets more to the fact that it brought Trek back as a series after a very long hiatus, and took some pretty big swings as a result.

I was around when DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise were the new shows that "just didn't understand Star Trek," so from my perspective it's all very cyclical. Trek fans, as with most long-standing fandoms, don't all handle change very gracefully.

Honestly, it's just a different tone. That's about it. You should definitely watch it and decide for yourself whether you enjoy it, don't let other people online decide for you.

I will say that the first season is a little rough around the edges but all Star Trek shows are. It gets better as it goes on. Tone, acting, writing. It all takes a slight tonal shift in the second season. At least there's only 13ish episodes as opposed to the 24 of older shows.

It's not wrong per se, it's just different. I don't particularly like Discovery and Picard, but they're ok. They don't have the same monster of the week approach as the others, and a lot of the other stuff has already been discussed here; lack of development of the crew and their relationship, the main character is constantly on focus while everyone else in the bridge is in rear view, no breathing room for proper character development, the orcs/klingons, etc.

I would rather watch Lower Decks, Prodigy or even The Orville. They're closer to what I like about Star Trek (though The Orville takes a bit to get there).

Absolutely. In fact they definitely had wars about it.

Hola, someone didn't pay attention to the show

No. Not false. Just because someone else has a failure in basic video comprehension does not mean that Discovery is not canon. They just completely failed to understand what was happening in that episode.

Edit: Made even dumber by that link saying that Discovery/Section 31 aren't canon but SNW is. Well, you see, SNW kinda came from Discovery. You don't get to have one without the other. The pilot of SNW even aggressively states that they're in the same universe.

But nope. Hateful lil bitch fans gotta hate.

The same phenomenon that turned the TNG era Klingon into a Discovery era Klingon also turned the Cerritos from a California class to a Galaxy class. So I guess TNG is also no longer canon.

It was not erased from Canon and I'm starting to lean towards banning that site on this community for outright misinformation.

It's stunning how there are people who hate Discovery so much they will full on fucking lie about what is happening. It certainly wasn't a misunderstanding because that episode makes it abundantly clear that Discovery was not erased from canon. There was a single fucking scene of the quantum rift changing a Klingon ship into a Discovery era one. That is the entirety of the proof that "Discovery was erased from canon." Problem is that it doesn't work because the quantum rift changes you into something from another era or multiverse. The only thing that scene did was temporally shift the klingons. Same way the klingons were temporally shifted and turned into a sailing barge. Both are part of Klingon history.

Just because some haterboy has a failure in comprehension skills does not mean that it was erased from Canon.

strong Sealab 2021 but live action vibes

Now I want to see survey of people who loved Sealab 2021 and are apologists for Discovery. The venn diagram might just be a perfect circle...

I don't, myself, disagree with any of the many complaints people have about Disco. My counter argument is just - I still had fun.

You've given me this revelation that I defend Sealab 2021 exactly the same way...