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When Alabama's Supreme Court defined frozen embryos as children, the shock and confusion was immediate. Major hospitals pulled fertility services and would-be parents scrambled for clarity on what would happen next.

The debate over reproductive rights in America has long been driven, in part, by opposition to abortion from Christian groups - but this ruling has divided that movement and ignited debate about the role of theology in US lawmaking.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

As someone who has two living IVF babies, 8 frozen embryos remaining, and is also Christian, this line struck a particularly strong chord:

"Nobody understands more that an embryo is not a child, than the person yearning for that embryo to be a child."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Knowing multiple people who have gone through IVF procedures, and have had it fail time and time again, i felt that as well. They were heartbroken, time and time again.

One lf them has a child on the way, and the other has stopped trying, for those who wonder :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Spread and populate the universe, sky daddy said. This goes against that

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

Maybe they should have learned the complete definition of abortion before banning it

This people are so stupid and they make our laws.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Who could've foreseen that restricting reproductive rights could go both ways?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I honestly didn't. Assuming devout being synonymous with maga, this headline caught me off guard.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

Life is about navigating one's principles versus one's realities.

Xians do exceedingly badly at this in the meta-modern world.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Oppressive theist group argues amongst itself about wha their imaginary friend in the sky wants.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago

They don’t care what it wants. They care how they can frame what they want to seem like what it wants. What they want is pretty clearly spelled out here: more babies.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Oppressive theist group argues amongst itself about wha their imaginary friend in the sky wants.

Maybe they could exclusively focus on that for a while and get back to us if they ever come to an agreement on whose religion is the only correct one?

Meanwhile the rest of us could get on with the business of progressing society without their constant interference.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe they could exclusively focus on that for a while and get back to us if they ever come to an agreement on whose religion is the only correct one?

The true religion is yoga classes you take at the YMCA. There. I solved religion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

But Edie Brickell told me that it's a smile on a dog. YOU CAN'T BOTH BE RIGHT!!!

[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 months ago (2 children)

As horrendous as this ruling is, I'm also pissed at the pro-forced birthers that are upset by this ruling. It's so intellectually dishonest to object to this ruling when it uses the same justifications they use to oppose abortion.

These people pick issues to be passionate on but never actually put in the effort to research. And not just whether their position makes any sense, but what the downstream effects of the position would mean.

The politicians who write these anti-abortion laws are even more lazy. This is literally their job and they should have seen this coming. They could have put in exceptions for IVF from the get-go but they didn't, because they are more interested in winning points than writing effective legislation.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

But they do want to outlaw it. They just didn't want everyone to know until AFTER the election. That way no one could do anything to stop it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They could have put in exceptions for IVF from the get-go but they didn't, because they are more interested in winning points than writing effective legislation.

You can't square that circle. If you codify your religious myth that "life begins at conception" into law in order to ban abortions, then you also have to outlaw IVF by the very nature of the procedure.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Or ensure all embryos are born. Either way that's dumb

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