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[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 months ago (2 children)

My sister lived in S Korea a few years ago, and keeps up on some stuff. She mentioned the feminist 4B movement. Quoting an article:

4B is shorthand for four Korean words that all start with bi-, or “no”: The first no, bihon, is the refusal of heterosexual marriage. Bichulsan is the refusal of childbirth, biyeonae is saying no to dating, and bisekseu is the rejection of heterosexual sexual relationships. It is both an ideological stance and a lifestyle, and many women I spoke to extend their boycott to nearly all the men in their lives, including distancing themselves from male friends.

So some of this might be the movement, which is against the patriarchal society Asian countries are famous for (and part of why so many weeb incels want Asian "submissive" wives). Has my respect too. Iirc some men have been violently attacking women over it, bur I can't find a link in the limited time I have atm.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (12 children)

You couldn't pay me a million to make another being have to live on this planet.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (3 children)

If I were offered $75k to have 1 kid, I'd still have to turn it down.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

$75,000 for ONE child seems almost reasonable. $22,400 is a fucking joke.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Even 75k seems small for one child. I would expect an amount enough to support a kid until they are 18.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hey Canada. This is what people want if you want us to breed.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

Why add the company middleman? Just pay the parents directly.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 6 months ago (3 children)

"South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol on February 13 ordered his administration to develop tax incentives and subsidies for companies that encourage their employees to have children."

This seems fishy to me.

Why not develop tax incentives and subsidies for the parents directly, instead of giving companies another loophole?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago

What?

And abandon their system of government, corporate feudalism?

[–] [email protected] 58 points 6 months ago (2 children)

South Korea is run by a handful of enormous family owned companies. This is probably related to the fertility rate.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago

Small FYI: Those are named "Chaebol" in South Korea, if anyone want's to look further into this.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

But because my son got my German citizenship he get's nothing, even though both his parents pay huge amount of taxes. We even need to pay for the Kindergarten out of pocket, which just so became quite more expensive too.

But to be honest, I don't want him to grow up here in Korea with all the pressure and the bleak outlook into the future where one worker will need to pay for one retired person too, especially for all the retieries who didn't have children for whatever reason.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

all the retieries who didn’t have children for whatever reason

Could be that the grind at work doesn't leave any space for having a familiy.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Your last sentence just put a different spin on the "it takes a village" quote that I constantly hear from parents.

It takes a village to raise a child. But it also takes a village to care for the elderly.

What happens when that village is no longer cooperating?

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean, some cash is nice but the reason people don’t have kids is

  • a bleak future in the face of a collapsing ecosystem
  • late stage capitalism forcing people to work all day just to be able to afford existing
  • degrading childcare infrastructure amidst missing teachers, preschool educators, daycare workers, etc. And a general social climate hostile to raising children
  • and lastly of course the crippling loneliness epidemic, leaving many people (particularly men) unable to find partners
[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

All that, but sure, those little green pieces of paper ought to do the trick.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

75K is not nearly enough little papers to raise a child.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago

Gen Y/Z: we require legitimate action on climate change, ecocide, housing security and affordability, wealth inequality, economic mobility, work/life balance, social welfare, education, healthcare, greedflation, monopolies!

Capitalism: We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas... How about a pizza party?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Amazing to see marxist theory in action like that. It's so on the nose too, if that was in a novel it would look rather shoehorned in.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I was like "(companies) paying parents to have children" belongs to a caricature of capitalism, but here we are. (My bad, it's companies paying parents to have children, and not some bigger entity, like the government. I already edited the previous sentence for clarity.)

If you don't mind me asking though, what "marxist theory in action" do you see in this article?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

In this case that the cost of replacement of labor power factors in to the wage a company has to pay in order to maintain production.

The manufacturer who calculates his cost of production and, in accordance with it, the price of the product, takes into account the wear and tear of the instruments of labour. If a machine costs him, for example, 1,000 shillings, and this machine is used up in 10 years, he adds 100 shillings annually to the price of the commodities, in order to be able after 10 years to replace the worn-out machine with a new one. In the same manner, the cost of production of simple labour-power must include the cost of propagation, by means of which the race of workers is enabled to multiply itself, and to replace worn-out workers with new ones. The wear and tear of the worker, therefore, is calculated in the same manner as the wear and tear of the machine.

https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:Wage_labour_and_capital

edit: replaced quote with an imo more fitting quote from the same book.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A South Korean firm is offering employees up to $75,000 to have children and help lift the country's ailing birth rate.

The announcement comes after Booyoung Group, a construction firm based in Seoul, earlier this month declared it would give a $75,000 per-child bonus to employees who have babies, CNN reported.

The company's employees have collectively had at least 70 children since 2021, so the firm is on the hook to disburse $5.25 million in cash to its workers, per CNN.

Like in China and Japan, South Korea's aging and increasingly imbalanced population means there could be a surge in retired older people who require medical care while the country's supply of younger workers dwindles.

South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol on February 13 ordered his administration to develop tax incentives and subsidies for companies that encourage their employees to have children.

In Seoul, municipal authorities are giving $750 every month to parents who have children until their babies turn one year old.


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