Replace Israel with Rhodesia and it still scans
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All of this really amounts to narcissism, whether it's her or Brianna Wu, the real issue that cant be stated explicitly is that "activism" for them is synonymous with making money from your media career and hanging out with celebrities.
Any ask beyond that becomes offensive and shrill, and everyone who might pressure you to say something that could jeopardize your next patreon paycheck or (god forbid) cause Hillary to cancel brunch is radical, hateful, and actually fighting for a lost cause. Unlike Contra, the person who will carry her bitterness about Kamala Harris' 2024 loss to her grave, learning nothing.
This is just an articulated sophism to essentially say that leftists should stop making a ruckus and just understand that they can't change American politics so they should shut up and let the genocide happen and focus on the American politics they can't change anyway. Very in line with democratic leadership messaging, never rock the boat and let it take you wherever the wind of money blows.
To insist that bipartisan consensus on Zionism is inevitable in an era where establishment dems are at an all time low of approval and Israel has the support of about 10% of the democratic voter base. After watching the NYC mayoral primary electorate shift cataclysmically to a younger and more progressive demographic after the media decided to make the election a referendum on Zionism that they LOST. It's just pure careerism and cowardice.
No, we probably cant change ritchie torres or bill clinton's mind on this issue, but the millions of people alienated by genocide and fascism who would have been happy to vote blue no matter who previously can and are being radicalized to demand something better. Contra's response is to tell them to fuck off, pipe down, and stop ruining Mimosas.
Mimosas are fucking great fuck the libs, watering down my cheap champagne so it doesn't taste like spoiled grapes strained through a worn sock is the breakfast booze of the proletariat. Also bloody maries. They can't take those from us because a proper one is too spicy for kkkrackers.
She does not want to critize Genocide she wants to endlessly critique those that do.
She complains that the dissolution of Israel is unrealistic, which sure, it kinda is, but what is a more realistic solution at this point, exactly?
What is the pathway that takes us from the present situation to the dissolution of Israel as a Jewish state?
You could ask the exact same thing about a compromise position like a two-state solution and any answers you come up with are just as inadequate. I know libs love to compromise with fascists because it's a more "realistic" option, but in this case it just isn't. If anything, some disaster hitting Israel causing it to collapse seems way less impossible than a future where a free Palestine somehow exists alongside Israel.
Honestly, the most realistic solution is an international pressure campaign in the form of aid withdrawals and tariffs against Israel that do the following:
First, Israel's borders need to be firmly locked down in stone. No more of this game of expanding their borders to create DMZ-style "buffer zones" and then allowing your settlers to move into said "buffer zones." At this point, those borders will likely include both Gaza and the West Bank. Israel has created facts on the ground that make establishing a true Palestinian state in these areas impossible. People still clinging to that dream are delusional at this point. With Gaza and the West Bank, Israel will now be a compact state with highly defendable frontiers. They should be required to create buffer zones from their own territory that settlers are not allowed to move into. The buffer zones should become endless mine fields to prevent settlers from moving in. Israeli populations cannot be allowed to live directly on the border with neighboring countries, as that just creates opportunities for insurgent attacks. Much of the fault of October 7 is due to the Israelis allowing their population so close to an open-air prison camp.
Second, the Palestinians need to be provided for. Israel isn't ever going to give the Palestinian population full citizenship. Israel is never going to give up being a Jewish state, and they have a nuclear arsenal to enforce that. However, they should still be forced to allow Palestinians living in Israel to have full equality in every form of civil rights except voting. Jews can maintain the power to provide for their safety, but everyone else needs to still have full civil rights and personal autonomy over their lives.
But furthermore, Israel should be required to pay vast war reparations in order to fund the creation of an actual independent Palestinian state. Land should be acquired somewhere in the region from a neighboring country, in some territory that doesn't border Israel. Think a patch of desert along the coast somewhere that is currently uninhabited. Israel and its allies will fund the construction of new desalination plants and cities for Palestinians who wish to relocate. This New Palestine should be far enough away from Israel to neither substantially threaten nor be substantially threatened by Israel. And any Palestinian living in Israel can receive a generous relocation package that will actually take care of them and allow them to get started in New Palestine. And New Palestine should be immediately, from its founding, be recognized as an independent country. Its borders and freedom of navigation should be protected by US and allied military forces. If some empty wasteland cannot be found for the purpose, then we should dredge a new large island out of the sea and let that be New Palestine.
To me, this seems like the only way forward. Israel is never going to give up being a Jewish state. They see that as a death sentence for themselves. And they're a nation armed with hundreds of hydrogen bombs. Diplomatic pressure and embargoes can force them to change some policies, but they'll never be coerced into a path that they feel is suicidal. And a separate Palestinian state within the West Bank or Gaza is completely impossible at this point. We should just accept that Israel has these lands, move on, and search for an equitable solution for the Palestinians.
I think this outlined solution would do this. Any Palestinian could choose from the following options:
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Stay in Israel. Have full autonomy and civil rights, but without the ability to vote. Full access to employment, the justice system, freedom of speech, etc. They can stay in Israel like this indefinitely if they so choose.
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Take the relocation package and move to New Palestine. If New Palestine turns into a boondoggle and ends up a starvation camp, well no one will choose to move there. But, it would give Palestinians who want to build their own independent homeland a way to have true independence and autonomy.
This isn't a great solution. But when are peace deals ever a great solution? Any real peace always requires very painful compromises. For the Israelis, this compromise would mean having to accept Palestinians as their neighbors and having to pay hefty war reparations. For the Palestinians, it would mean either accepting a permanent second-class citizen status in their old homeland or abandoning their homeland all together and finding a new home.
It's not perfect and it's ugly as sin, aka like every peace deal. But this would be a path forward to actually allow both Israelis and Palestinians access to a dignified and independent future.
i mean, they are a country who is dependable on exports, have their gdp go to 10k per person, the significant portion would just return home. It's unrealistic cause all western cia friends are hooked to the gills to entity spy tech, not cause their will is so strong
unrealistic as in this couldn't be done is bullshit tho, bomb desalination plants, drone strike engines of airplanes flying in and out, bds all products, this shithole will collapse in 2 years or usa will pay 100 billion each year in fealty.
I don't even think it would take 2 years if israel got legitimate international pushback. A weapons embargo and sanctions would render them completely defenseless and without material support basically overnight. They could only remain a viable entity for so long with those kinds of extreme pressures
Replies from her stans on Reddit are even worse, a whole lot of “you tankies would get a lot more people on the pro-Palestine side if you just toned it down and tried to focus appealing to people who just so happen to think precisely the same way I do”.
The majority is already against Israel and for a free Palestine. We don't need to take advice from perpetual election losers on how to appeal to people.
She started souring to me around the time I started taking "The Society Of The Spectacle" seriously and really trying to stop parasocialism. It was her "non binary" episode where she really lost me, I forget what she said exactly -- it was just another thing in the list of grievances brought up at the time.
Thats a problem I run into now is that I've pushed these influencers out of my mind for so long, I forget why I started unfollowing them. But she keeps saying shit like this, soooo. 😅
For me it was the envy episode, absolutely childish analysis of how and way post-revolutionary states do what they do.
Yep, envy lost me too
So, my understanding is that she barely puts out any content yet somehow has a loyal base that gives her money for doing nothing.
Sus.
Spending every day on Twitter attacking the left and blaming it for all of our problems isn’t nothing thank you very much.
sounds like she’s on the dnc payroll
I'm absolutely not reading all that
Free Palestine!
lol, Clintonpoints and another trash-tier take that makes zionists blush? Must be a weekday.
Anyways, I look forward to her future irrelevance and liver failure
The Bad Hasbara podcast made this? It's great, I should listen to them lol.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Entire frontpage is covered with the lib’s bullshit. Why is anyone supposed to care?
Contra has posted a silly tweet, we shall neither retweet it, nor reply.
It's what the slop comm is for 
I hadn't checked the front page before posting, my bad!
Didn’t mean to criticize you specifically. There’s major events happening daily and they’re barely even mentioned, instead I’m discussing Natalie Wynn as if this dumbass is at the forefront of my consciousness while people are dying and getting blackbagged all over the country
Didn’t mean to criticize you specifically
Oh, don't worry about that. Before you even commented, right after I made this post, I saw the other post on the front page and thought, "Aw shit, we're already talking about this," but that was at the ass crack of dawn this morning, so consider that other thread for the Night Crew and this thread for the Day Crew (or the Night Crew, depending on where you're at; you know, everything is relative after all).
I am generally anti-slop but I think this is actually something we should be talking about. There are a lot of libs in the US who are angry, scared, and looking for answers. More than I’ve seen in maybe 15 years. Because the Democratic Party and their sycophantic influencers (like Natalie) sure af don’t have any answers for what’s happening all around us right now. Highlighting Natalie’s pettifoggery around a fucking genocide really does give the libs who are open to actual leftist thought something to think about.
100%. People should be thinking of these moments as counter propaganda opportunities, to counter the arguments of libs, analyze their arguments and attitudes, and dislodge them from the Democratic Party.
Like the Kavernacle said in his recent video (which I assume is the reason this reply was made?), the world is moving past these breadtubers to a new generation of leftists that believe change is both possible, and necessary. They no longer make videos just for entertainment purposes or education, but to change the real world we all live in. But it will never be possible unless the world moves past the philosophy of the liberals that had sway over the culture for so long. Hell, Mamdani is more proof they're losing control.
Remember, changing material conditions doesn't necessitate a move to the left. It doesn't happen automatically. It requires people to have conversations with those they know and don't know on the internet and convince people that socialism is the way, not fascism, to abandon their old heroes and idols and find a new path. We need to be leaders in changing attitudes by explaining why people feel the way they feel.
I usually don’t give a fuck when someone I follow online decides to become a vocal spokesperson for awful shit, online or in person, you have to expect some number of the agreeable people around you to have skeletons in their closet that you are just not okay with.
Contra’s collapse I didn’t call. This one is really unfortunate. It was her videos that got me out of “I don’t know about this trans stuff, I don’t care, just keep it out of my face” to something a bit more understanding. Nobody was putting anything in my face, etc
This is one of the few “celebrity” “betrayals” that really sting. Her, Ethan Klein, Steven Wilson, I can’t think of too many.
Can’t wait to wake up tomorrow to news that Grant Imahara personally signed the Ottoman horses that were used by officers rounding up Armenians or some shit
This is one of the few “celebrity” “betrayals” that really sting
I do expect better from one of the (formerly?) biggest and most accessible leftie video people than I expect from Mastercard, personally. Is she that comparable to [pop star] or [tv show]?
I feel like being whipped with this tweet as a reply to something I’ve written should be a sign to go outside, but I really don’t see myself in it. I really don’t follow anyone particularly closely, not in the way I’d need to to feel targeted by this, I don’t think.
It's more a sign that you've been outside. Our community has had a bunch of contra haters (for mostly valid reasons) since before we were on Hexbear. I wish we would sometimes offer other users, especially federated users like you, a bit more grace.
A lot of our community is/were active on Twitter which creates an instinct to "go in for the dunk" at any opportunity available that I've always vocally disliked.
I don’t feel too offended because I’ve been lurking on Hexbear for over a year now, I understand the culture here is a bit more Twittery. I don’t think every individual here is super catty, just that there’s a lot more Twitter influence than most of Lemmy/Piefed, and as someone who fled Twitter in like 2012, it’s a bit of a damper on an otherwise fun time. I’m all for building bridges with the Only Funny Instance™, even if we do disagree on like 20% of leftism stuff.
The general federated (mostly libby) “big tent” Lemmy/Piefed culture is much closer to tech forums or early R*ddit, which is pretty pleasant most of the time. But it does come with a handful of Zionists etc. That can only be annoying, but when their pitiful replies get downvoted, contrasted with waves of support from all over the world under my posts about day to day life being terrorized by Natenyahu’s murder machine here in Lebanon, it’s reassuring to see how insignificant they are. They can keep barking.
I’ve been aware of Contra’s issues for a long time. I’m not queer so some of the controversies weren’t intuitively “big” or “insignificant” to me. But like five six years ago, when the only message successfully being boosted to consistently reach my young mind was Jorkin D Peanitson, she really was one of the first voices of reason that put the brakes on me falling into the wrong pipeline. FWIW I haven’t seen any of her videos in years.
This is not about contra hate, this is just the normal reaction to petite bourgeoisie worship, though I think most of Hexbear would be in alignment with you and reformed-transphobe here, simply because of MLism.
Grant is incontrovertibly irreproachable no this doesn't have any bearing on how Felix has accurately encapsulated how I felt about the trio of JV Mythbusters especially Kari during my formative teenage years 😤
Anyone who believes in a 2 state solution should have many follow up questions asked. Most likely they want Palestinians corralled into “Emirates.” The Saudi plan from 2002 was laughed at by pretty much everybody.
Lmao "the pro Palestine movement decided to oppose zionism and not only genocide". Does she think the movement started on the 7th October? Does she think the genocide started on the 8th October ?
Yes Israel as a Jewish state(ie Zionism) is a factually ethno supremacist ideology and thus fascist. we need to oppose it as principled leftists.
This reeks of "The only way" but applied to a genocide. "Yes genocide is bad but there is no other waythat is not doomed, so compromise and allow a bit of genocide please"
I can't take it anymore. "Please think, of the Jewish persons that could feel bad about people denouncing Israel, they are the true victims". No, fuck that think of the people actually being genocided. She would be defending poor Germans in 1944.
Edit: I'm gonna go touch grass I shouldn't be this pissed off about a Zionist YouTuber who I don't even watch. The past year and a half have made me even more fucking mad than usual on this subject.
Since at least the founding of Israel (if not before) to be Anti-Zionist is to be anti-genocide. Zionism has manifested itself as a project of ethnic cleansing and the destruction of the Palestinian people. A person cannot be Zionist and anti-genocide. It's really quite simple.
Yes, I think that's what enrages me. It is simple.
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