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Yeup. One of my guilty pleasures is the"ask a manager" blog, and she (Jewish-American) had a Jewish-American reader write in the other day because someone had put up a swastika at her workplace and the company was failing to do anything about it. Just to prove that we need to be careful about antisemitic infiltration, this was an escalation from a previous piece of vandalism where someone had put up "kill all Zionists", which the company also refused to do anything about (and while that's fair given, y'know, Zionists, the fact that the follow up was a literal hate crime I think does paint a picture of what's going on there)

Of course the infuriating thing about this kind of antisemitic co-opting of antizionism is that it makes it impossible to reasonably say "well... Maybe Zionists ARE bad and it's no more unreasonable to say 'kill all zionists' than 'kill all fascists'", because yeah, when someone's putting up fucking swastikas you WILL look like a freak.

I dunno, fucking Nazis never fail to make literally everything worse.

Rando: Israel is starving children to death, those sick fucks!
Zio: Antizionism is antisemitism.
Rando: Ok

I'm seeing the same. Obviously call out the antisemitism loudly and immediately. Accuse them of working for Israel since they are serving Israel's goals (conflating Jew with Zionist).

israel has really fucked Jewish people's reputation globally, I don't think there's any point in denying or downplaying that. The conflation of jewish identity with israel has been horrifically successful in some circles.

To me, this is one of the main values of highlighting the existence and activity of jewish antizionists.

• EDIT: just to be clear, I'm not endorsing zionist-style claims of a wave of antisemitism threatening jewish safety, just saying that a lot of people who used to be more positive or neutral towards jewish people now have much more negative attitudes than before.

Right after the Al-Aqsa Flood my dad was pontificating about how the illegal Zionist entity was a a forward defensive post, guardian western civilization against the barbarian islamic hordes. A beacon of democracy, intelligence and civilization, surrounded by evil villains. The Jewish people were presenting as some super-intelligent, super-civilized super-westerners.

The other day he unprompted told me that the zionists were committing genocide and that the illegal zionist entity should never have been founded in the first place. He then veered into talking about how it was "the Jews" who were doing the atrocities.

There are only so many massacres you can witness before you start thinking the perpetrators are the baddies.

conflation of Israel with Jews

Well that is the orthodoxy in western governments and israel too. It's the jewish state, if you criticize israel you are antisemite.

Unfortunately that's also part of the zionist project, to increase actual anti-Semetic behaviour, so more people go to Israel.

Genocidal ideology comes in many forms, it’s never really coherent. I actually met a chuddy Jewish guy who believed that Jews run the world and that we should just nuke the middle east off the map to end everything, he also said we should nuke China cuz reasons. That didnt stop him from bringing up the holocaust when a black coworker mentioned how hard it is being black.

I also met a second generation Syrian American who wanted Syria to be an ethnochristian state based off the values of Adolf Hitler. No muslims, Jews, druze allowed in the levant👎

And that’s just in my small irrelevant town…

These conflicts are drenched in blood and people wont come out of it with coherent views at all. With the death of communism, who wouldve thought this would happen?

You know the saying: "when someone tells you who they are, believe them?" Zionist Jews have been saying that murdering children is an essential Jewish value, and that opposing this is antisemitic. Guess what? People are going to believe them on this.

Every leftists/progressives/Liberals defending Palestinian rights needs 5 minutes to make sure that Zionist feelings are safeguarded and that they condemn any violent Palestinian acts

Right wing people defending Palestinians don`t care and just bulldoze everything in their path.

Which of these 2 inspires confidence? because people don't like to be associated with weakness. The fact that people still think you can debate people into being anti-zionist is insane, do you think zionists don't know what Teodore hezl's project is not a colonial project?

The best arguments are telling them ''I don't care'', ''it`s not my problem that the genocidaire is Jewish'' or just actively mock them

yes it's disappointing. 2 years ago as the genocide in gaza escalated, a western-iranian friend of mine was pretty anti-palestine and I was bringing them around to a more historically coherent, anti-genocide perspective. after the attacks yesterday I reached out to offer support and they've veered off into blaming religion. it's pretty disappointing. I can only imagine the level of iranian chud discourse right now. I hope that after the shock of this vile attack wears off that I can talk them around to a more materialist understanding that differentiates zionism from judaism

If it wasn't the socialism of fools and a gateway into being wrong about everything I wouldn't think it would be worth fighting. It is a weird intentionally confusing mix of so many forces that being confused and wrong is enivitable

the zionist project conflates itself with "all jewish people" on purpose, it's sad and disgusting but also expected that some people believe the propaganda

Fuck Israel literally for exactly this. Drives me crazy

The Israeli government and its international sponsors/defenders have been telling people for decades that if they oppose the oppression and murder of the Palestinian people, it must be the case that they hate all Jews, so effectively that support for the oppression and murder of Palestinians is a position universally held by all Jews.

It was inevitable that some steadily growing number of people were going to believe them.

Sadly, this is in some way our failure. We haven't been loud enough to explain to the people that the American imperialist project and their outpost in the Middle East has nothing to do with Jews and everything to do with capitalism.

It's by design