Lemmy is full of echo chambers. People afraid to have a conversation with people with other opinions. A simple word will trigger them, its like you can all be wrong together.
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I asked a vegan what the word "carnist" was and got banned, lol. You're right, there's a lot of angry folk on here...and it's hilarious
Bad example removed
There are some communities which expect people to lurk and learn the terminology before asking questions. Asking what carnist is on a vegan community can be considered as sealioning.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
To show an example of of what vegans face, [email protected] got locked as it was a community which was willing to dunk on vegans, which is against LW terms of service.
https://lemmy.world/post/24429479?scrollToComments=true
(For people actually interested in carnivore diet, [email protected] is a better community)
The fact that you find it hilarious shows you were not being there in good faith.
It's people like you who ruin it for people like OP
I assume this is a link to something in posted before? You have linked it wrong if so
Curious, the link works on my side, are you using a specific client?
Anyway
I take back what I said.
But still doesn't work, I use the mobile app connect
No worries.
Hm, curious, I guesz this of links aren't handled by Connect.
Anyway, have a good day!
... Yes? Yes you would and you would get an answer...
Okay, I'll rephrase and find a better example
Edit: done
Lemmy really needs to focus on improving the default UI, and making it as easy as possible for users to sign in and start seeing posts etc.
Especially on mobile, it was a nightmare for me to figure out which app, which instance etc. most people would have given up by then.
People are used to having a very smooth process when using social media etc. and Lemmy is really lacking in that department.
Yeah I use connect, probably could be better apps but I don't mind this one
Here's the message I usually post on Reddit when people are looking for an alternative. What do you think?
"Lemmy has 42k monthly active users
- https://discuss.online/ if you want a server located in the USA (content is still accessible from any server, the most difference latency)
- https://sopuli.xyz/ if you want a server located in the EU
- https://vger.app/ if you want an app
Feel free if you have any questions"
That's great thank, I'm going to steal this.
You're welcome!
I don't agree its as bad or worse than Reddit which is packaged fury everywhere. However, the last few months tempers have certainly risen and bad-faith takes and antagonism are more visible in some communities. There seems to be a lot more right-wing people, or centerist apologists at least, than there were before the US election results and I think those results might play a part - emboldening some to speak up and causing so much stress in others that they lash out where they wouldn't have before.
Just make liberal use of the blocking options and take your time to find your people.
Speaking of which, I was in a discussion about that yesterday:
I specifically avoid .ml and .world because the collective behavior (i.e., hostility, downvote trolling, etc.) is so much like Reddit.
Beehaw, Hexbear and Blahaj have all disabled downvotes, but Blahaj is the only one that's decent, which is why I'm here.
(I would link directly to these if I could, but am having issues with that.)
For what it's worth, Discuit is also a generally friendly place.
For what it’s worth, Discuit is also a generally friendly place.
Less than 200 weekly active users. Beehaw's Local feed is around the same, and still allow to access other Lemmy communities
Look, I really appreciate your numerous posts and comments in the RedditAlternatives subreddit, promoting Lemmy.
As for me, it's Discuit and local Lemmy feeds because I prefer that village vibe.
Ive found myself actually reading a ton of threads from hexbear, and ive found them to be some of the most civil and welcoming lemmy users PROVIDED they dont think that youre arguing in bad faith. They can be quick to dismiss anyone who seems like a bad actor, and i think thats totally fair, because its rude as hell to go into someones safe space and start acting like you know better or being dismissive of their beliefs. Especially when you dont actually want a well reasoned answer, you just want to stir shit. Hexbear users are great, opinionated people. Lemmy.world users (and mods especially) seem to be terrible, opinionated people. Hexbear totally doesnt deserve the bad rap they get imo, and their trans community is awesome.
because its rude as hell to go into someones safe space and start acting like you know better or being dismissive of their beliefs. Especially when you dont actually want a well reasoned answer, you just want to stir shit.
You're running on a lot of assumptions.
I made a comment that had nothing to do with any of that. It received quite a few upvotes (10+), then someone misread it and accused me of antisemitic dog whistling, which was not the case. In other words, they were stirring up shit and making a bad-faith argument.
So I clarified my position, then other users piled on, the mod(s) deleted my comments, and I left.
And the user who made that accusation had made what could be perceived as an anti-Italian remark in a comment a few days before. My paternal grandparents were Italian. Needless to say, I was a bit upset that this person didn't follow the very strict standards that they held me to.
(By the way, Blahaj is also an LGBTQ+ safe space. The difference is, they're not assholes.)
Feel free to check my post history.
In the meantime, I'll leave you with some recommended reading, here and here.
Im not assuming anything, im sharing my experience with theeads that ive read and commented in. You can share your experience too, im not going to invalidate it, but it might be helpful if rather than just alluding to some comment that got deleted, you posted what the actual content was. Also a comment getting deleted is a pretty tame response to something thats generating controversy, regardless of what that content was. I notice you didnt mention being banned.
Regardless people can make up their own mind. Hexbears threads are all there out in the open. Im just saying i vastly prefer the majority of discourse and conversation that ive seen over there than i do most .world threads, which end up being incredibly hostile, childish, and ignorant, in my experience. I have no complaints about blahaj users at all.
but it might be helpful if rather than just alluding to some comment that got deleted, you posted what the actual content was.
I can't recall the exact wording of my comment, but the gist of it was that three celebrities were protesting an attempt to bar Israel from a music contest because of the ongoing genocide. I pointed out that the three celebrities were Jewish, so it was kind of cynical for them to do that. Those who upvoted understood what I meant, but then someone else accused me of antisemitism -- because I didn't specifically identify them as "Zionist".
How am I supposed to know whether they're Zionist? As far as I know, they've never publicly identified themselves as such, and it could be perceived as offensive if I did.
I notice you didnt mention being banned.
No, I wasn't. Hopefully you've read the two items I had posted before, which pretty much validated how I felt about what I'd experienced, and why I left.
Listen, if you like Hexbear, fine; that's your business. I don't.
most .world threads, which end up being incredibly hostile, childish, and ignorant
Agreed, and that's why I also avoid them (and Beehaw, Hexbear and .ml).
Obviously I'm generalising here, but I feel like this is largely the outcome of putting a bunch of middle-aged white STEM bros on the same small social media network as a bunch of queer communists who trend a lot younger.
The latter group would be mostly content keeping to itself (albeit with the usual amount of infighting), but the former group sees it as its god-given duty to barge in and disrupt any and all "echo chambers" they happen into online. They have all the social awareness and political literacy of the stereotypical facebook boomer, they're just more technically literate.
To be clear, a lot of folks here are perfectly amicable, but if the quality of the experience on Reddit hadn't dropped so drastically in the last two and a half years that I found myself questioning my sanity I probably wouldn't have come back here.
My advice is don't hesitate to block someone for being a dick, and be ready to report anything you think is actionable by community moderators or site admins.
Be nice if most of Lemmy had mods and admins who removed hate speech
Yeah, I guess it would.
It's absolutely been worse here lately. I don't know that I'd call it worse than reddit, but Lemmy is definitely trending more toxic. I'm certainly not a heavy user by any means. Idk if the more reasonable voices have just become less active or if more toxic voices have arrived or what, but where as 6+ months ago things tended to be more discussion prone than antagonistic, it's now mostly antagonistic, especially in the more popular communities.
I will say, I've left many of the lemmy.ml communities in favor of similar communities on other servers and that's helped as far as making my feed of posts less toxic to boot (and less spammy).
I haven't done much of my own moderation in blocking so I'm running mostly based on the server moderation.
American election season with a userbase opinionated enough to leave Reddit on principle, as the world burns and the holders of the most important positions in it decided to start fiddling.
And then a fascist party won.
It's going to get spicy everywhere.
Yep yep yep, it's very confrontational and getting worse by the day
I will say, lately lemmy has been in uncharacteristically confrontational. It's been a rough year so far, hopefully things chill out
US elections didn't help
Agreed. I've followed less and less of all content since probably mid October.
Americans are mad, everyone else is mad at us for what happened. I don't fault anyone for being mad, but I feel we've only got like a dozen Trump people on Lemmy, so everyone's just taking it out on each other.
We're gonna be screwed for a long time if we can't stop infighting.
I totally understand that. A lot of people here are arseholes.
I think my experience has gotten much better now that I have a long blocklist and am on an instance with downvotes disabled. But yeah it doesn’t feel super friendly all the time here.
But I feel the same way on reddit.
I know you're venting, and there's not much to say to help.
I am genuinely surprised that you've found lemmy more unwelcoming than reddit. Yeah, it runs higher to snark here, but there's less outright nastiness. But on either platform, it usually is going to come down to the community and the type of community.
You know, gaming communities tend to run high to assholes because gamers run high to assholes. Same with specific anime series or other fandoms. Politics is always a shitty subject matter to talk about. That kind of thing. But, you step into one of the knife communities on lemmy, and you don't find the kind of aggressive jackassery that's available on reddit ones (not all of those, a couple managed to keep good mods during the debacle).
It sucks that people suck. Genuinely, I'm not dismissing your experience. I haven't found any corner of the internet that doesn't have suckitude due to sucky people, though some specific communities/subs/forums moderate for a civil and chill atmosphere. The jerks still pop up in those places, but they get whack-a-moled soon enough.
Yeah, I do think it comes down on whatever communities you're in which varies what the experience be like. Lemmy is very open-source focus which great asking for support and even finding interesting FOSS project but terrible how angry they get anything corporate or proprietary related and even they expectation for newbies to do.
You're going to likely interpret the following as snark or more anger, but I promise you it's not. I ask the following in good faith: if you encounter folks who believe that large corporations, generally, and the use of proprietary software/hardware by those corporations, specifically, are having harmful effects on humanity, do you expect those folks to respond without emotion when those subjects are broached? If so, why? Is it because you disagree with their assessment harm or is it because you believe that anger is never acceptable? Something else perhaps?
There are those who believe that even when confronting brutality and viscous exploitation, those who stand in opposition may only politely ask for change. Some other folks believe that these calls for restraint serve only to uphold and support the exploiters and the brutalizers.
You seem to be coming from a good place and your desire to get away from reddit probably reflects a belief that there's something wrong there. But maybe take a step back and ask yourself if there's a good reason that people seem angry?
You're going to likely interpret the following as snark or more anger, but I promise you it's not. I ask the following in good faith: if you encounter folks who believe that large corporations, generally, and the use of proprietary software/hardware by those corporations, specifically, are having harmful effects on humanity, do you expect those folks to respond without emotion when those subjects are broached? If so, why?
I do believe that large corporation should be held accountable for whenever they done anything shady and suggest alternatives as well as state the pros and cons of it.
My issue is them replying angrily at the people that happens to use it, not even knowing why they use it instead of the alternative, if the alternative can delivers what they can already do. Not all alternative are "one size, fit all" and sadly, some are more a compromise rather than they would get any benefit from using it.
You seem to be coming from a good place and your desire to get away from reddit probably reflects a belief that there's something wrong there. But maybe take a step back and ask yourself if there's a good reason that people seem angry?
I saw it the whole thing more as them assuming I want an community to mainly talk crap about older generation which isn't the case. To me, I vision the Gen-Z community I was wondering exist in Lemmy being like sort of like "90s kids" Facebook group which post meme related their childhood and stuff they grew up with. Again, not trying to do some generation war and talk crap at them.
If some have read my reply to others, they would realized that. But instead, they jump into conclusion so I felt like I was being yelled at for being a idiot for even asking and get accused for something I wasn't even thinking about.
If the tone is something like:
"I'm not too sure how good idea is having separate community for generation is as we're aleardy divided personally. But you find it better joining any community you find interesting"
I wouldn't be too upset and won't feel attacked and I can reply saying "It isn't meant to be a divide, rather..". But instead, they begin with "Fuck Gen-whatever" and be passive aggressive to me. That what annoyed me the most.
Seems reasonable to be honest
one of the knife communities on lemmy
Which ones do you recommend?
Those are the two I like the best. Both are relatively slow compared to the reddit ones, but everyone is really chill.
There's also [email protected]. It isn't a knife community, but it's knife friendly, and while it's slower than me on a cold morning, the user base is great when they're active.
Thanks!
No worries :)