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A guide for manga newbz like me.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago

Is this loss?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

From panel 9 how do you decide to go down instead of left? From panel2 how do you decide to go left instead of down?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago

I really am new to manga, but what I have noticed so far is that there are subtle flow queues in the art itself. For example, there might be a very thin line between those three cell and a thicker border between them and the larger cell to the left.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago

Easy, you just guess the wrong pannel first every time, and then find out when the next page gives you the context.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Have the same question, but hazarding a guess - the rule of thumb would be using the bottom of the cells as guide?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

Kind of, yeah. Though if a larger panel is on the right rather than the left you consider the top of the panel rather than the bottom. So like if you swapped 12 with the 9, 10, 11 cluster it would just be 12, 9, 10, 11.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago

Finally it makes sense. Now i can understand how to read those manga memes on lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago

Ah, damn, didn't know the speech bubbles had to-to-bottom precedence...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago

TIL, I think I was over thinking it and would have gone from 7->9, and gotten all messed up. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

if that's truly the case, shouldn't the art form be written as "agnam"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Fun fact, it used to be right to left (1 letter each and line break in vertical writing, then right to left columns) before they adapted left to right western writings.

They're mostly gone by now but still some old places keep the order. For example, trad confectionary place named とらや toraya have their shop curtan reads inverse やらと yarato)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago

It is pronounced agnam.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

What are the benefits of a language being written to the left?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago

I don't know if there is an advantage or disadvantage. There are other writing directions as well. Like boustrophedon, which starts in one direction, and then when you get to the end of the line the next line goes the other direction. This sounds like a better way to write to me!

Egyptian hieroglyphs can be written either RTL or LTR, you tell because the animals and humans in the script face the beginning of the line.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Japanese was written vertically, so characters are ordered from top to bottom while it is the lines which are separated from left to right. The slow leftward advancement allows a person writing on a scroll to write with their right hand while unrolling the scroll gradually with their left. In modern times you can write Japanese horizontally, but in that case you usually write from left to right. Characters written horizontally from right to left is only done in exceptional cases.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago

I just realized that top-to-bottom also solves the problem with smearing discussed in another comment. Your hand is moving down, away from the fresh characters. By the time you move over to the next line, the top is already dried. (Especially with the time it takes to fill a line with kanji, which are denser than Latin script.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago

Thanks, that makes a lot of sense.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

What are the benefits of a language being written to the right?

Neither is better or worse than the other, each works how it needs to for its language.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Ink runs when dragged over by a right handed writer moving left. Some systems are objectively better for some reasons, and while accepting all of them as uniquely useful is fine, it’s certainly not an answer that sates my curiosity

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago

Apparently Hebrew was written with hammer and chisel initially. Holding the hammer with the right hand and chisel with left, writing from right to left allowed to not cover the already written part with the left arm.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Ink runs when dragged over by a right handed writer moving left.

No ink will run as long as you hold your ink brush correctly, see this video for a demonstration of traditional Japanese handwriting, top to bottom, right to left, brush held comfortably by a right handed writer, no ink dragged over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwzJtUAzcpM

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago

If you’re trying to make an argument that brushes were superior to quills, I could buy that. But it still seems like a point in favor of right to left, that the opposite requires a higher minimum skill level.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Do you assume right-handed english-style writing to be the default way everyone writes the world over, in all languages?

This is just my high talking, but I believe our right-handed dominance is tied to our language being written left to right. Had our ancestors chosen to write from right to left, perhaps we would be a left-handed dominant society.

If you believe there is an objective reason one is better than the other, then I'm all ears.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago

But it's a fact that most people are right handed even in areas with right-to-left writing. No reason to speculate on things there's already concrete information for.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like that when I line them up on a shelf in numerical order, all the pages are lined up in order as well, with the end of one book touching the start of the next.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

isn't it the beginning of one book touching the end of the next if they are in ascending numerical order?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

If it's a Western-style book, yes that is so! And by ascending numerical order, I mean number 1 on the left side. When you put English language Book One on the shelf spine facing out, its cover gets turned to the right side (unless it is upside-down!), touching back cover of Book Two. But Manga will have front cover of Book One snug against the left side of the bookshelf, and its back cover touches front cover of Book Two. You should go try it with your books, just to see it happen. Feels good.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago

oh right because you turn the book around to put it on the shelf!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You get used to it pretty quickly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Its actually my default now so when I read something "normal" I sometimes get confused.

What's nice is the webtoon format skips it all since it's just "read down"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago

but then I have to scrooooolllllll so faaaaarrrrrr

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's so natural that I can go between either comic/manga direction and not even notice.

I wonder if my brain would be confused by a manga going L-R?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I can't speak for your own brain, but I read a translation once (don't remember what) where they'd mirrored it so it could be read left to right and it absolutely threw my brain for a loop

[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago

It happened to me reading pokemon adventure, it is mirrored and it is painful

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

The visualization was nice. It's easy for me to forget. I don't read them often enough to do this without thinking about it from time to time.