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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (8 children)

why not just do:

microsoft 365: 6.99

microsoft 365 + copilot: 9.99

blobcat, think

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 days ago (2 children)

"You remember that llm we spend billions of dollars on, that nobody asked for? Well we're done half baking it into all our apps and now we're almost doubling our prices to help pay for it all."

The logic of the utterly deranged...

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (10 children)

The fact that people are subscribing to office software is the biggest problem here. What sort of technical breakthroughs require so many updates that a subscription is necessary?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Privacy-stealing telemetry changes often, so the subscription is to make sure that's updated and works. You gotta pay for the privilege of being datarummaged by the likes of Microsoft The Great.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

More anti consumer garbage forced by a monopolistic juggernaut which the governments of the world refuse to do more than mildly scold. It's worse than chatgpt and pops up almost everywhere you click. Something about heads in asses

[–] [email protected] 97 points 6 days ago (24 children)

Meanwhile, smart people: I sure do love Libre Office.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Don't forget GPT4All or JanAI, for those rare instances that you want to converse with a dumbass.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago

If smart people love libreoffice, then I must be dumb. Working with it always seems weird and I never like it.

Fortunately, I can use LaTeX for work; it is far from without issues but while being arcane sometimes (especially when tables are involved), it never really upsets me and the result looks very good. I can say neither for libreoffice or MS office. But at least the former doesn't charge for the experience.

I hope typst gains more traction; it seems really intuitive compared to TeX and you don't necessarily need a macro package. And while it doesn't produce the quality of TeX-based systems yet, it is already good. Then again, Knuth's goal first and foremost goal was quality (and it shows); the system just had to be usable by him.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 6 days ago (4 children)

You can call the sales team and ask them to change your subscription to the classic version to opt-out of Copilot and get the old price back, if you still need the subscription over changing to other open source office suites.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 6 days ago (19 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (5 children)

the only problem with onlyoffice is that it's electron.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I need to try onlyoffice again. The last time I tried, was the original beta, and it was faulty (being a first release beta, and all)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Oh onlyoffice works great! It's spreadsheet function is far less buggy than excel and it's smooth and snappy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Sweet! I've been using MS at work (required) and Libre at home (because screw MS). I'll give Only another go!

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If they actually bundled a game pass subscription with it and made a proper Microsoft complete subscription they could have softened the bad press they're getting on this (and giving customers something they've wanted for a while)

That and the fact that they've nearly doubled the price of the subscription to add a limited credit based feature just looks pretty slimy

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Why on earth would they bundle gamepass into Office365? Office365 is pretty much used for business and educational institutions. Everybody else is a rounding error.

The overlap between Office365 owners and Xbox gamers is extremely small.

You'd just end up pissing everybody off by combining them

  • "They've added how much to the price by adding this gamer nonsense?! I don't need that crap, I want office software!"

  • "They've added how much to the price by including fucking PowerPoint and Outlook?! I don't need that crap, I want to play games!"

And not to defend MS, but a 43% increase isn't nearly doubling. A 100% increase would be doubling.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

It's called Microsoft 365 now

Office 365 was when it was just a business productivity suite

They renamed it when they pivoted it to a general subscription and started adding things like clipchamp.

I mentioned in another comment though that I agree it would be silly to mess with the professional skus, but the home & family ones would make perfect sense to offer as an option at the very least (just as they're offering 365 without copilot for the time being).

I'm also not saying get rid of the independent subscriptions for Xbox, that would also be silly.

Just that a merged one would make a lot of sense for the people out there paying for both (which I reckon is a good number in the family subscription category at least)

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

bundled a game pass subscription

Most of the money MS gets from Office365 is from business users, not home users. I have a feeling that trying to sell game pass to corporate clients isn't going to be a huge hit...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Sure and it would be silly to mess with the professional tiers

But personal and family subscriptions are fairly squarely positioned towards non-business users as their main demographics, from what I can see.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They should have made it opt-in instead of opt-out IMHO. You can still get the old subscription when you renew, but you have to jump through a couple of hoops. If you do nothing you just get "upgraded" for no reason.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Dolla dolla bill.

[–] [email protected] 148 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I spent about 20 minutes today trying to get Copilot on Word to tell me how to disable Copilot on Word. Worth every penny.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I really wonder what their long term plan is here.

Hardly anyone really wants copilot, it doesn't add a lot of value, yet makes the product less competitive.

I totally get rent seeking, Office is so ingrained that it's almost impossible to get away from it. But why force AI on everybody? Why not add it as a bonus?

Is this just a desperate attempt to soften the massive losses of the AI investment?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It's not for you. It's for them. Copilot digests everything you type into the Office apps, and it provides them with millions of real writing examples that are free from copyright (read the new Office EULA).

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 days ago (2 children)

To please the shareholders. Then, when AI is no longer deemed valuable and its tremendous costs sink in, they will remove it and layoff the teams that worked on it, to please the shareholders.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

That's way too simplistic, as often.

For the shareholders, having an investment of several billions turn into an unwanted add-on for a few dollars is not a good thing. It's the opposite, almost like a fire sale.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago

But they'll keep the prices high

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 days ago

The clippy we all deserved

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