'Don't Sabotage Mamdani': 30,000+ Petitioners Urge Gilibrand to Get Behind Progressive NYC Mayoral Candidate : progressivepolitics

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago

If progressive are going to gain a foothold in American politics, it'll be despite and not because of the DNC. For as shitty as it is, Trump put everyone in place by winning again and again. He selectively sought retribution, but mostly took them and put them in line. Now they can't be happier to go to bat for him.

The only difference will be the GenX Democratic elite will say they always believed in these ideas and are glad to have helped in the fight. They wouldn't have, but they need to save face.

Stop getting mad that the established democratic leadership lies and cheats. Call it out and get back on message. I think the messaging is stronger than their relexive grasps to hold on to power despite having no vision of the future.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago

https://act.dsausa.org/donate/donation

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

She's just saying the only part out loud because she doesn't have to worry about re-election until 2030.

She needs a primary challenger in 2030. Maybe Mamdani himself.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

lol normies gonna' learn how conservative Democrats actually are ... again... for the tenth time...

... oh god, they're going to learn nothing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago

This petition won't change the minds of the DNC establishment.

But this vocal and energetic support for him is amazing PR for him. It means the DNC and republicans don't get to completely define the narrative.

It's just a show of support but it's so necessary ATM because some democrat voters might be inclined to look into him more closely since he has visible support.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago

Conservative is still better than regressive.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It's not like they had 2 Bernie primaries to learn...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

BuT wHeRe's duH pRoOf BeRnIe wAs sAbOtAgEd bY DnC iN pRiMaRiEs? He Is ToO eXtReMe fOr mOdErAtE vOtErS!!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Bernie lost the primaries.

Sure the corporate media spent every day talking about what a dangerous unelectable person he was.

Sure the same corporate media was happy to report about how because of super delegates he had basically no shot at winning and a smart voter wouldn’t throw their vote away on such a dangerous lunatic.

Sure Chris Matthews literally said that he was worried people like him would be executed by chairmen sanders

And yea the DNC marshaled all their money and influence against him.

And then the corporate media did just start calling whoever he was running against the presumptive nominee.

But that’s what makes these dangerous leftists so unelectable, billionaires and millionaires paid by billionaires keep calling them unelectable.

Won’t someone please, for once, think about the poor billionaires and what’s best for them and their media companies?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 44 minutes ago

You forgot about chuck todd calling Sanders supporters "brownshirts."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz sandbagged Bernie and there is absolutely no denying it. And you're right, she did it because the DNC, just like the GOP, is more than happy to suck the dick of the rich man. But neither the DNC nor the GOP actually matter...it's what the voters believe. And, I'm not sure if you noticed or not, but all those kids who grew up post-9/11 are largely pretty fucking overt with their opposition to the rich man. Times they are a changing. The old parties can get on board, or they can be burned down with everything else.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago

As a Bernie supporter for every campaign he ran, I saw him get fucked over. I still remember when all the centrists rallied behind Biden so he could win a bunch of primaries in states he would end up losing in the general election and that was it, the story was now that Biden had unstoppable momentum.

I remember saying at the time that a Biden presidency would just be hitting snooze on fascism and the very serious Dems telling me I was just dining on sour grapes.

I’ll finish the rest of this post after I show my papers to ICE, trumps personal paramilitary which is now one of the best well funded organizations in the world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We shouldnt have to sign a fucking petition for members of the same party to support the fucking candidate

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

TBF a lot of claims that the vast majority of DNC in the NY State Congress support Mamdani, and he's been congratulated by Bill Clinton and the DNC Minority Speakers in US House and Senate.

Having like a 90% approval among your party might not be the greatest but it's not terrible.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

But being congratulated doesn't mean being endorsed.

DNC: Congratulations Mamdani!

whispers to colleague Get him...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

They actually have been after the results of a recent general election poll show Mamdani winning with supporters from both sides of the political spectrum, and they also never endorsed any other candidates in the general, but feel free to stay inside your fantasies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Did the DNC leadership gave unequivocal support to Mamdani?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I can give you yesses or noes if you put some names up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

So, the majority DNC leadership support him.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't realize I was talking to Bizzaro Superman.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Well then, name all those in DNC leadership who endorsed Mandami and those who haven't.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You want ME to nane the people in YOUR assertion?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

You offered to name DNC leaders who endorsed Mamdani and how many of them versus, who are against him, so I am letting you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

But it's not good enough when the media is giving megaphones to the 10% and ignoring the 90

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I for one think that Islamophobia is as serious an offense as sexual misconduct and that Gillibrand should be cancelled and resign, just like Al Franken.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Oh fuck off, not liking someone's dumbasses religion is not the same thing as rape.

The hells the matter with you?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Islamophobia, just like antisemitism, is not "not liking someone’s dumbasses religion", it is racism. You wouldn't tolerate anti-black racism and you wouldn't tolerate antisemitism (I assume, given that you're here). You also would not be trivializing any kind of racism by comparing it to rape (again, a good faith assumption). On the same grounds, you shouldn't tolerate islamophobia.

Edit: That said, Franken was never accused of rape. Here are what he was actually accused of: [1] [2]

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Islam is actually a religion which does not require any specific heritage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

This is veering into an abstract discussion that is not useful. Islamophobia is a form of cultural racism. So called "scientific" or "biological" racism is not the only kind of racism that exists.

Let's be specific here. Mamdani has not being attacked for being a believer in this or that religion. Gilibrand's attacks were not theological. He's being attacked based on bigoted stereotypes.

That said, even if he was being attacked on religion, what the actual fuck? Would an attack on a candidate because they are Orthodox Christian or Buddist or Mormon or atheist or anything else be acceptable? Are we splitting the hairs of whether this or that type of bigotry are acceptable here? Wtf.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

I feel like if you have to change the meanings of words for your argument to have legs then it's a shit argument, mate. The user above claims two evils exist on different magnitudes and your counterpoint is "Uh, nuh uh! Why do you think it's okay to be evil?!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago

I feel like you're splitting hairs about types of bigotry as a defense for particular bigots.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

"Change the meanings of words"? I didn't do that. I pointed out that there exist multiple meanings to the same word. Work on cultural racism by Balibar et al. is not new either, it's been around for something like 30-40 years. If your worldview is too narrow, then expand it, go educate yourself. Don't give me this kind of anti-intellectual bullshit, especially in a progressive space like this one.

The person I was responding to before you was not simply claiming that "two evils exist on different magnitudes". They were dismissing one of the "two evils" by trivializing the cultural racism of islamophobia as "not liking someone's dumbass religion", i.e., something that boils down to some kind of harmless personal choice, like preferring fries to onion rings.

My argument from the start is that if one type of bigotry is grounds for cancelling, so is the other. And this is literally in the thread about a post about a progressive politican who is being subjected to cultural racism. What do you stand for here buddy?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Democratic Party WILL rig the general election. Hell, they’ll probably work with Republicans to get their candidate in over Mamdani.

Who owns the machines? Is the software audited? Are there tabulation servers involved?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it have been easier to rig the primary?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why not really? Nobody would have blinked at the results if he lost the primary. If he loses the general, especially to someone he beat in the primary, there will be a lot more attention. This is especially true with a candidate who's popularity seems to leap forward every time a poll is done.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

And the hand-count auditing of machine results for mayoral primaries is usually overseen by just a handful of people. It’s way more achievable. Tampering with those machines is easy by comparison.

IMO if the conspiracy hinges on “hacking” voting technology, it almost certainly overestimates not only their internal complexity but their role in determining election results.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He’s already gotten endorsements from some of the most influential progressives. Fuck the centrists. NY wants change that benefits the working class.

https://www.zohranfornyc.com/endorsements

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't trust Elizabeth Warren she a snake who will if the party tells her to, will bend the knee and pull her endorsement and give it to the rapist. Remember she sabotage Sanders 2020 run because she thought they make her VP.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's less that she's a centrist, more that she's an AIPAC beneficiary. She's sponsored by Israel, just like Schumer.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago

That is not what matters most in a NYC mayor.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

It’s less that she’s a centrist, more that she’s an AIPAC beneficiary.

That particular Venn diagram has a lot of overlap.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, the establishment Dems have the desires of the voters in one hand and they're weighing that against hundreds of millions of dollars in soft money in the other, and so far the money has an uninterrupted win streak.

And Gilibrand has already clearly signaled which side she favors.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Never forget Hillary v. Bernie.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Never forget that Hillary Clinton won the primary popular vote by 3 Million and also won the general popular vote?

If we're asking Gilibrand to fall in line, the least we could do is ask the same of each other.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago

Never forget PUMA.

Don't pretend for an instant that clinton worshipers are capable of party loyalty. They break from the party as soon as they don't get their very first choice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

That was when it kicked off in earnest.

I still think that if there's one single person who deserves more of the blame than anyone else for Trump becoming president in the first place, it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Never forget.

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