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So slavery as indentured servitude is the American future. Way to "new model" the old model.

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The factory jobs that existed in post-war America would be a vast improvement over the current service economy, but those jobs don’t exist anymore. Union jobs with high pay, benefits, retirement after 20 years, etc. Those are not the factory jobs they’re looking to create.

Factories are mostly automated now anyway. Rebuilding US manufacturing will not only take years but it will be done in a way that minimizes the actual jobs created. They’ll also still have to compete with factories all over the world where the currency is worth much less and the global price of the end product reflects that.

Post-war America had a strong domestic market and middle class that could afford to buy all the things American manufacturing built. Americans are now buying groceries on layaway and waiting for the sickness or car trouble or new Trump policy that makes them homeless.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The reality is that the job is kind of irrelevant. We had a manufacturing economy then, and a service based economy now, but the real difference between today and back then were wage strength and social parity. Of course pensions existed too, but still.

Back in the day one man could make enough to support a family on a relatively entry level skill level income. Today one person can hardly afford rent by themselves anywhere in the US for the same skill level of work.

Instead of paying people any more than absolutely necessary, we pay shareholders. No pensions, let alone benefits for a lot of people.

We need taxes on the wealthy and higher wages, if not legally mandatory profit sharing schemes for all businesses

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Preach! I have an advanced degree in a technical field and I earn (adjusted for inflation) about 75% of what my father did in the same industry doing similar work without even a GED. The real punch to the gut is I live in a high cost of living area while he worked in a very low cost of living area. Thanks, capitalism!

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And those jobs weren't good because they were in a factory, they were good because they were union.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Still, safety standards were far from ideal at that time

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Factory jobs used to consist of one person being able to move about and do various jobs. I may be misremembering, but I believe it was Ford (who was not exactly a great person, go search) who stuck each individual in one place doing one minute part of an overall job. Having worked in a couple of factories, one of which was very well paid, it was mind- crushingly boring. And 1/2 hour meals with coworkers was sniping and backbiting other coworkers. I liked repairs better because it was variable, and I got to go to storage and look for things so I could move away from my station.

QA was probably the most soul-crushing, except for that one factory, that didn't pay well, had everyone on mandatory 7 days, 8+ for about two months at the time my supervisor tried to write me up for being absent the days with the flu, with a doctor's note. I walked off the job that day and was hired at a nearby competitor the next day, and given a start bonus, told to come in the following Monday. I loved that super, the pay was great, but it still was not great.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Want more than 2 minutes to poop? You're fired!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

They say factory jobs but really they mean mining/oil towns, where everything is controlled by the mining/oil companies that still exists in some parts of Africa and Latin America.