We should collectively refuse to have kids to prevent that from happening and make the whole thing come crashing down.
this post was submitted on 13 May 2025
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Bold of you to assume that I'm having kids. Actually, not having kids is probably the best way to give these assholes the middle finger.
I think in a other timeline I'd be very happy working in a factory for my career. Building something or maintaining the systems. Putting in a hard days work and going home feeling proud I did a good job.
Supporting my 2 kids, stay at home wife and owning my own home with only my income.
My kids needs were all met. All utilities paid up, school supplies and toys, fridge always fully stocked.
My job was secure. 20+ years at the company with a competative salary. My job is secure and safe with my union protecting me. Might retire in 30 or so years with a solid pension and a cool 50 at the factory.
No need to get a job after I retire. Just enjoy my time with my new grandkids my children are happy to have in a strong economy.
But. We're not in the fucking twilight zone.
The American Dream was taken from the masses and they want us "back on the line" for pennies on the dollar in profits.
"I make a penny while the boss makes a dime. That's why I sit on company time."
No. We now make a penny while the CEOs make thousands and were left hungry, homeless and sick.
Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
And while you'd be OK with one job for life, for many of us, that's a vision of living hell, no matter how good the working conditions might be. And those working conditions would be shit. Nutlick's "vision" is of multigenerational wage slavery, with no environmental or safety protections, no constraints on abusive employment practices, nothing but immiseration.
Are you taking orders? Or are you taking over?
The Children Yearn for the Mines!
Since the New Deal the goal of the capitalist class has been a slow crawl back to slavery. Couldnt do it too fast. Had to take it slow.
No taxes for the rich and businesses. No rights for workers. And eventually No pay or choice for them either.
That beyond all the other myriad failures of this country is why I hate it so much and why I long to see it fall.
And it's all been fully Bipartisan. Republicans advance the goals of oligarchy by leaps. Democrats are the vanguard that protects the rich and the corrupt. They stop all of us from making things better. Social and cultural issues are ephemeral at best. Ultimately unimportant to the oligarchy beyond their utility as a tool of control and coercion. There is no morality involved. There is just greed and corruption.
Seems that they want to repeat the USSR of 70s, just capitalist and without the revolution and industrialization and mass repressions preceding stages, and rather right-wing.
Maybe they want that to avoid the same fate due to avoiding state capitalism and overregulation combined with politics inside the bureaucratic machine. If they are moderately smart.
Or maybe they just want to repeat the same track with modern technologies. Then it'll suck.
Seems that they want to repeat the USSR of 70s
State capitalism with nationalist elements.
I'd say inheritable professions are more pre industrial revolution than Soviet.
Yes, I missed that part, meant more the "working all your life on the same plant" thing.
Tat used to be not so uncommon under capitalism as well.
The big, old fashioned manufacturing companies often had livelong employees.
And that's also what Trump crowd promises their voter base.
The issue is how they are going to achieve that. The Soviet way was very inefficient, led to many unprofitable plants in the system and budget holes being closed with selling fossil resources to "capitalist" countries. And eventually tanked the USSR.
Succeeding in creating such industries in the first place and making them work is more likely with Soviet approaches. But making that a stable, efficient system is just impossible with Soviet approaches.
So they have to spend enormous funds at creating humongous processes and plants and logistics, and then prevent those owning said processes and plants and logistics from creating a bureaucratic-political deadlock which USSR was usually in. Any change would reduce some party's power and increase another's, so most ministries would oppose any change of status quo, and that is why all Soviet attempts at creating, say, a country-wide computer network to increase production and planning efficiency, or at optimizing military industries, or at standardization were killed.
USSR could have personal computers common enough, and not clones of Western successful designs, except clones were the only thing that wouldn't cause such a deadlock. Domestic designs meant some ministry losing to some other.
There was a de-facto college ruling the country, with every party in that college having a veto right. Better than today's Russia, of course.
Same even with fossil fuels export dependency, frankly - big companies today are not so different from USSR in terms of internal structure, yet they are efficient enough. It's just that such a way of getting value would be, again, less likely to cause deadlocks.
The more intelligent (thus requiring standardization and competition, not just controlling land or oil and gas reserves) always lost to the more basic (sell something abroad, or choose a foreign design and clone it).
It's a bit similar to how Byzantine empire killed itself, actually. Inviting foreign power to help in internal affairs became normalized. They didn't even feel, apparently, slow and steady conquest by Turks whose help they'd employ against each other.
One of my statistics professors at college (this was real statistics, not teaching psych majors how to abuse SPSS) had been a Soviet planner. Along with the problem of fiefdoms (which is common to any large enterprise), there was a problem of measurement. As business-school dweeb will tell you, any metric that becomes an objective ceases to be useful as a metric, since it'll be gamed.
Now try collecting 10,000 metrics used as goals. Everybody's lying to the boss in order to look good. Everyone's got a side hustle because they're barely paid enough to survive. And the penalties for non-compliance with orders from on high are brutally severe but spottily enforced. Anyone who's worked under a micromanager will know what this is like. Now imagine when the state is itself a micromanager. From an information-theoretic point of view, the effort to collect and validate the data needed is many times greater than the effort to do the job itself. So it doesn't get done and quality and resiliency of the production system suffer.
Whether you want them or not.
NGL I'm envisioning The Factory as in SCP 001
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