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So "normal" looking people are hauling their fellow man away. Why should castle doctrine not apply in an instance otherwise indistinguishable from kidnapping?
Well, for anyone who isn't a citizen then it would be very easy to have murdering a government official be used against them. Maybe slightly less so for citizens but still a big risk, assuming you make it out alive. Typically they outnumber the people they are kidnapping and are likely all armed themselves.
I mentioned it in another thread on the topic but the only real semblance of a viable strategy I can think of would be to have armed patrols like the Panthers had, and some kind of hotline for rapid response deployment. It would be very challenging to organize this, but I've seen some cases of people being de-arrested at protests recently by other protesters acting swiftly. I think I saw a report of an ICE kidnapping going that way too.
There are instances of rapid response networks that have popped up, but I do feel like regular patrols need to happen especially in very diverse communities
I think technically it does. I wish I could remember who it was, but there was a case in the 60s or 70s where a Black Panther member shot a plain-clothes police officer that was attacking his comrade. The shooter got off without any charges because from his perspective he thought he was stopping an attack versus hindering an arrest. I can't imagine any armed black person not getting riddled with bullets or charged with attempted murder if they did the same thing today.
At that time, if I remember correctly, Assault on a Police Officer was a misdemeanor but is now a felony so it's also costlier to participate in that. They changed it because there were so many people fighting back then.
So, try doing that now and you'll get a felony if not terrorism charges. They learned their lesson from the Panthers, unfortunately.
There was a guy in Texas who killed a cop in a no knock raid, iirc, and got off free eventually.
I remember a case of plainclothes ICE (I believe) that were searching for some undocumented person and approached a mom with her kids in her car. She tried to drive away and they pulled out their guns so she allegedly tried to run them over but they shot her dead in front of her kids
Turned out that they weren't even looking for her. Just killed some random brown mom. Oops.
That's fucking horrific
Somehow found the article and, damn time flies, it happened in 2012. I thought it was a few years ago under Biden, but maybe it was another similar case.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/plain-clothes-border-patrol-agent-kills-32-year-old-mother/