THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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Cops are just city/state sponsored gangs, and this is coming from non maga trump voter
Tagging you as "fucking moron"
What ever floats your boat, more power too you. Just blanketing someone as a moron at face value based on a topic that is heavily nuanced is very disingenuous
You are clearly only pretending to care about nuance, you voted for Trump. Your motives were as nuanced as a brick, and about as intelligent.
You can say all you want, that doesn't diminish my understanding the current nuanced and complex socionomics and my educated opinion based on observations and history
You had me until non maga trump voter. Could you differentiate the two? Because trump made maga, it wasn't around before him.
A great deal of skepticism and solidly believing Trump lies through his teeth, much like the politicians he surrounds himself with ever since 2015. Now, I barely was apart of the maga train then, because I was excited to he a first time voter. Now it's changed because about a decades worth of wisdom can see that nothing will happen and just unfortunately deviate to more of the same boring dystopia.
But you did vote for him the second time? I am also curious what specifically you saw in him the first time.
Which promises were attractive to you and blinded you by his racist, misogynist, and nationalist views?
Deluded with fanfare mixed with the excitement of voting for the first time, tbh voting age should be 21 along with anything else. By 2018 I didn't give a shit about politics, but then got roped back into it by 2020 due to everyone and their mom thinking the societal collapse is happening (which is what I'm voting for) and just picking the less of two evils at this point because politics repels the just and moral of heart.
The lesser of two evils being Trump. That's an interesting opinion
You're a fucking moron.
I mean, at least give me valid criticism before you stoop to middle school name calling...
Clearly your head is too far up your ass to hear any criticism if you don't think shipping people to labor camps is a bridge to far. You're probably just a pathetic little troll but ethier way the world will be better without people like you in it.
Woah woah woah, you're clearly putting the cart before the horse and using me as a representative for the Republican party. I'm just a humble homesteader trying to make a living on this rock hurdling through the galaxy, just as you. I frankly don't believe partyism is good for anyone let alone bipartisanship
YOU made yourself a representative of Trump's policies. If you didn't want to be judged for it, make it your deepest, darkest, most shameful secret.
How did I make myself a rep of trumps policies, I don't even like a few, but I disliked Hillary's and Biden's way more, cold turkey the end.
As for making a secret, not about that style, I am done with hiding who I am so people can like me.
Quality Friendships over Quantity of Friendships
so you voted for him twice?
I only regret that there wasn't a better option the second go around
Delusional
Why would you vote for Trump, if you are not Maga?
"you don't understand Im a reasonable chud"
Economics and Gun Policy, a but of buyers remorse as of late but I can't change it now so I going to just bide my time and grit my teeth until next election, like I will do with all upcoming elections.
How's that "economics" thing working out for ya?
Pretty good, my chickens are making bank
There's not going to be a next election at this rate.
You voted for fascism.
Ok
I'm more confused by the idea of a admitting trump voter being on Lemmy.
I mean, I'm not saying Lemmy is an isolationist platform that forbids them. But at the same time, it's kind of like going to a house party attended almost exclusively by people who hate you.
I'm just not afraid of bandwagoning and witch hunting, and don't really care enough to join the Fox News, X, and Daily Wire echo chamber
Plus defederated social medias are neato
Clearly you vote for it.
Got disillusioned in 2017/18 when I realized nothing was happening and voting trump the second time because it was better than the alternative. And I like to keep and grow my gun collection
So you voted for the guy who wants to take them away illegally?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/
I mean, there's no winning on that front. One guy is up front about making me a criminal, the other uses subversion and bate and switch.
If there is no difference on the only issue you allegedly care about, then why the hell did you vote for the monster??
Sexism
Did you want me to vote on the other monster instead?
You had the option of not voting and letting more informed people decide, at a bare minimum.
"Hello fellow children"
I guess, idk what the avg age on Lemmy is
'im a Nazi but I dont wear the armband'
Ok