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What do you think is next for Canada and the USA? (lemmy.ca)
submitted 13 hours ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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I'm wondering what everyone else thinks is in our future as Canadians?

Do we think Trump is going to be stupid enough to try to invade Canada or redraw border lines?

Will the trade war continue for years or will Trump wuss out like last time?

We we continue to buy US products after they've now screwed us a second time?

I know I'm in the camp that whatever happens, I'm planning on completely excluding the USA from my life as much as possible.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I do not believe the US will invade, at least not for quite a while. It would be economic suicide and is very unpopular even amongst Trump's own voter base. Will he in the future? Maybe, and we absolutely should plan for that. Canada needs a proper military and our forces can no longer exist as just an arm of the US military.

I think what happens next will largely depend on our government(s) going forward. Trump's temper, imperial ambitions, greed, and pride all ride on a constant knife-edge and dealing with him requires a skilled and smooth hand. We can further our ties with the US and essentially become a vassal territory, or we can seek new allies and deals elsewhere which seems to be the route we are taking at present.

Canadians need to get used to the new reality that we now share a border with a fascist dictatorship lead by a screaming near-80 year old toddler and an army of yes men. I think we are going to end up a lot like Finland in that living under the constant threat of invasion is an aspect of daily life. The bear hasn't struck yet but one day it will and every person needs to be ready and know how to respond.

Securing our democracy and economy is paramount. The Americans will be attacking our elections, our media, and our protected industries. We have been doing a good job at getting people to stop buying US products but we need to get them off American social media and news sites too - it is literally a matter of national security.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This is a good assessment. For some added context, the idea of annexing Canada is astonishingly unpopular in the US. Even among Republican voters, only 25% approve. No one in the White House understands where this insanity is coming from or why, no one in the Republican party is in favour of it. It's basically just Trump and Navarro.

So while it is absolutely insane that the possibility of a US invasion exists, there's no real likelihood to it. Russians see annexing Ukraine as a good and right thing to do. They don't generally want Ukrainians to suffer - they see them as fellow Russians - but they see annexation as in their best interests. There's no such appetite in the US. The American people have zero interest in a senseless war against an ally.

But Trump is largely unchecked, and he may try anyway, no matter how much the attempt would destabilize his own nation. That's a risk we have to prepare for.

Either way, our days of treating the US as a reliable ally are over. Canadian soldiers bled and died for them in Korea and Afghanistan, and fought shoulder to shoulder with them in both world wars and multiple peacekeeping operations, and this is the thanks we get? Fuck that, and fuck every American that allowed this to happen.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You say no-one is in favor of it, but notice how none of the republicans running the show are so much as shushing him.

As an American, let me assure you that is a very bad sign. It means they either think they can control him—which they can’t—or they do approve for whatever reason and just plan to make him the fall guy so they can have plausible deniability.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

For now I suspect they're all assuming it's just bluster. The general tenor of what's coming out of the white house seems to suggest that they're basically treating the president like an angry toddler, letting him get it out of his system and hoping he calms down before they actually have to roll their sleeves up and take his toys away.

But there's also the fact that his cult is a very dangerous weapon that he eagerly points at anyone who do much as disagrees with him. Basically the party hates everything about this, because it's bad for business and Republicans hate anything that's bad for business, but no one wants to take the heat for saying so. So why not just wait and hope it all blows over when he gives up or gets distracted, like he always does. Trump has little stamina for things that don't immediately go his way so they're probably all banking on him finding a way to bail on this before long.