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I'm wondering what everyone else thinks is in our future as Canadians?

Do we think Trump is going to be stupid enough to try to invade Canada or redraw border lines?

Will the trade war continue for years or will Trump wuss out like last time?

We we continue to buy US products after they've now screwed us a second time?

I know I'm in the camp that whatever happens, I'm planning on completely excluding the USA from my life as much as possible.

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[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The US will not invade Canada. At some point, it would require political integration. It would be a generation after that before the Republicans won an election.

There are 40 million people in Canada and more land area than the entire US. At least 75% of Canadians would vote Democrat and that is before the bitterness of an invasion. Even as a single state Canada would swing the House and every President. As multiple states, Canada would swing the Senate. Think of the Supreme Court that would be appointed. The GOP would be completely locked out.

Just allowing Canadians already in the US to vote would have cost the Republicans every presidential race since Reagan.

For the above reasons alone, somebody will stop Trump from pulling the trigger. The US will not invade Canada. Even if they did, they would give it back.

That said, Trump may wage an unbelievably destructive trade war. And the end game for that may be for Canada to submit to total subservience to the US.

We are in a negotiation. The threat of war is just part of that. We hold some decent cards. By appeasing Trump, we start to lose cards. We can get more cards by aligning with the rest of the world both economically, militarily, and socially as fast as possible. The good news is, the world seems to be there for it.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 months ago

I think we’ll all get on just fine. This is like a toddler tantrum. Just need to cry it out in the corner a bit.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

EU membership, please!!

[–] fishtaco@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

I've started listening to the audiobook Canada alone, and so far it's very prescient of what's happening. Worth a read / listen.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 4 points 2 months ago

I wish we could have Civil War 2: The GOP Are Traitors. Instead we get this schizophrenic bullshit.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

ONAN interdependence

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think the Canadian national conversation has shifted. Sure, many business will need to or choose to still trade with the US, no matter what craziness starts or stops during or after the Trump administration. But we won't take the US for granted as a stable trading partner anymore.

The trade war will come on and off over his term, whenever Trump wants to take the media off of a different problem he caused.

A real war is very unlikely, not impossible, but it depends on Trump and how competent Trump's yes men are at enacting his fanciful ideas. I'd prepared for the possibility between 2016-2020, Trump would drop a nuke, and that didn't happen at least. But just the same, once again as Canadians we should be prepared for the worst, and work with whatever we have as a nation. They can take a lot from us by force, but they will never take away our solidarity and our sovereignty without us voluntarily giving it up.

[–] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yall know that taking Panama, Greenland, the tip of South America, and Canada is literally the plan these tech bros laid out for the land they want for their new techno states, right?

Also these people aren’t all American. America is occupied. We need a little help from our friends. We are at war.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I would view it as an escalation if the govt starts warming us up to getting rid of US media, content and platforms. We shouldn’t be mass importing their media, news, worldview as much as we do normally but now they are invaders - digital boycott is a real thing.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

I would like to see Canadian cable TV replace (at least some) American channels with international ones from the other English speaking countries.

And delete Faux news entirely.

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Yes, I know the number of homes with cable continues to shrink, but it's still got a massive installed base.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is SUCH an important point. The biggest and most painful band aid that needs to be pulled off is the cultural one. Our collective cultural identity has been steadily, gradually eroded by the loud, brash braying that the asses to the south continually emit day in day out. If it's not clear to us by now, Americants don't view anyone outside of their bubble as real people, or anything beyond a thing to be exploited. A means to their end.

The crucial realization though is that they absolutely depend on the their cultural exports to validate and legitimize their global behavior. A product and service boycott is good. A global cultural boycott that utterly repudiates their entire way of life is what's required though.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I am SO down for this. And I firmly believe Canadians need to excise the American invader cultural hegemony from ourselves. The boycott has to extend to digital services and cultural services. I was only signalling that if govt starts outright banning US media, while I personally would be fine with it, it’s likely a very bad sign of things to come (ie, an actual military invasion incoming).

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Very true, and also a valid point. I think they'd have a hard time concealing their intent in advance, either through a hamfisted Freudian slippage (fucking QED amirite?) or just too much info too hard to hide. A truly effective surprise strike would come without warning, mid-whatever-reality-show the placated population is bringing on.

[–] fishtaco@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Getting off Facebook is one of the most important things we can do since it's the largest spreader of misinformation.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

Been off that for years.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Russia used weaponized its culture against its neighbors for generations... To the point here every country has a small but strong and vocal regime bootlicker culture.

Speaking American is high risk behavior

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Sounds like some annoying reactionary factions in Canada as well

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Canada needs to dedicate its 3.6% of our gdp on the military while we build more town infrastructure further northward to give ourselves more land to retreat to.

Best case scenario Ukraine gets all that surplus equipment and we have more people spread out across the country.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 months ago

We're not going to move north, they can occupy our land but they won't be able to handle the insurgency. We'll move south, we'll blend in, we'll blow shit up.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

We don't need to go north. There's plenty of space in, say, western Ontario that's going unused.

[–] uuldika@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago

in a way, Trump is actually succeeding in getting NATO member countries to reach the 2% GDP commitment for military spending... by scaring countries into arming themselves against the United States.

it's like convincing your friend to install an alarm system by threatening to rob them at gunpoint.

[–] LEiZED@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago
[–] LEiZED@lemm.ee -4 points 2 months ago

Yes. Canada and Groenland WILL be invaded. That will trigger a major civil war on US. Canada and Groenland people will be treated like second class citizens and live in poverty. All ressources will be steal by US. In the end, after decades of insurrection, US will be torn apart and broken economically and militarily. That will be the greatest opportunity for China and Russia to take over the west. Other question ?

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