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I'd like to bring circumcision into this discussion.
Any Healthcare provider that performs this on a child should be arrested for child abuse.
I like how the biggest reasons for it are either "I can't spare the moisture for cleaning it, so it's better to cut it off" and "the guy who invented corn flakes said foreskins are Satan's eyelids"
I know! The idea that circumcision was introduced as a way to curb masterbation may or may not be true ... but one has to admit the entire procedure and culture around it is a bit sketchy.
Little boy ... you have been pre-emptively convicted of not washing your dick ... in the future. You are dirty, you will get an infection ... in the future ... you nasty little shit ... so we are going to cut you ✂️
That topic is far more nuanced and complicated than the naturalist cults like to portray, and I will aggressively reject any and all “appeals to nature”.
The human body is not remotely perfect, which is why the entire field of medicine exists. When it comes to circumcision there are legitimate health and hygiene considerations to be made. It is not arbitrarily “cultural” or “cosmetic”, though it is often portrayed as such.
The only health reasons given are "In the future you are going to be too dirty to wash your dick and you will get an infection. We are gonna cut that dick ... you filthy unwashed animal"
I love how you've looked to dismiss the idea that cutting skin off of a babies genitals is damaging and inherently wrong, outside of medical emergencies, as an appeal to nature fallacy. Even if that was how it worked, it's an informal fallacy.
will aggressively reject any and all “appeals to nature” as to the health effects of someone being beheaded!
If my foreskin was pulled back over the head of my penis, due to the sensitivity of the head, that would be quite uncomfortable for me. If I wanted to walk, I would have to adjust myself or I would be in a lot of discomfort. Yet, that's how it is for someone who was circumcised without their consent.
The only conclusion is that there would have to be a significant desensitisation of that part of the penis. That desensitisation would also have to apply to the feeling during sex.
How is it that people in the 21st century still need to be told to leave babies genitals alone and not to cut bits off of them? Bonus points if you did it because yahweh like the smell of them rotting.
There are a number of reasons why one could be medically necessary. I agree that medically unnecessary surgical procedures to infant genitals for purely cosmetic or cultural reasons are pretty unjustifiable, but "any healthcare provider... Should be arrested" is either a bit ill informed, or a wildly extremist position.
If we're banning purely cosmetic or cultural changes to a child's body, are we throwing out ear piercings and back braces and dental work, too? How about haircuts and hair dyes? How about vaccines, since these are now fully included in culture war politics? So much of this seems to boil down to a naturalist attitude towards children. "Just don't change ANYTHING! Changing things is wrong!"
And the fact that its coming from people - like Elon Musk - who paid top dollar for IVF doctors to guarantee his children conform to his consumer preferences (you'll notice he's exclusively had male infant children) is even more obnoxious.
It's very obviously just pot-stirring. Resent your parents for changing you. Resent your children for changing themselves. Medicalize resentment of everyone.
Brother, as someone who actively wants a circumsision, knock this off lmao
If I snip off the Snuffaluffagus trunk that I've got a foreskin, that shit isn't growing back because it's causing damage.
Ear piercings grow over. Back braces fix damage. Dental braces fix damage. Hair grows back. Vaccines prevent damage.
Fuck off or come up with a significantly better argument so this dismissal isn't so trivial.
What a terrible excuse to be against bodily autonomy
Weird fucking takes, dude... Maybe you're projecting or something?
You do know that we're talking about mutilating the genitals of infants, right? Just wanted to make sure you knew where you were.
If you have a good reason to continue doing it, I'm sure everyone here would love to hear it.
I honestly have no idea where you're going with this. You're comparing carving the skin off a baby's penis for basically no reason, to trimming their hair? Vaccines, back braces, and dental work are not purely cosmetic or cultural. And I have no idea what Elon Musk has to do with it, or where resentment comes into the conversation.
It's entirely possible for most rational people to recognize that a practice was not a great idea, and change moving forward without resentment.
I don't know if this is a strawman, or you're trying to make your case against someone else.
giving a medically unnecessary ear piercing to a 1 year does sound like something that is potentially child abuse, yes
Pay millions for IVF so you can have only boys ... wind up with a girl anyway. This just made me laugh. I knew Elon did thus, but it didn't really register until you mentioned it.