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[–] [email protected] 65 points 22 hours ago (10 children)

Now that it’s clear that Harris’s really well run campaign underperformed Hillary Clinton, can we finally end the myth that some failing of her campaign strategy or “likability” was the primary reason for her loss rather than sexism and Comey’s shenanigans? It really seems like a very large number of men just won’t vote for a woman in the US.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Women ended up not really voting for her either. She got worse results than Clinton did with women.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Hillary was a white woman. Kamala was not. Sexism isn't the only thing at play here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

"Really well run" seems like a bit of an exaggeration when people were doing vote-swaps in swing states with liberals who didn't want to vote for her.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

We've all elected women to all kinds of positions in all kinds of states, and even both major parties. We can't just blame that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

Michigan voted trump and a Democrat woman, slotkin, senator this election.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

But GeNoCiDe tHo

[–] [email protected] -4 points 19 hours ago

No, because the truth is not as simple as that. Dems ran on a terrible campaign again, and lost again. Underselling "our" party's shortcomings is a surefire way to another loss next cycle.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

That's my big takeaway from this election. A well-qualified woman will lose to the most idiotic man possible because millions of men will just never vote for a woman. All of these people in Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Michigan all showed up for Joe Biden, and all vanished for Hillary and Kamala, despite both being better candidates.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

You are assuming everyone saw her as well qualified. Some see it as electing a party rather than a person too.

Unfortunately for her, it was democrats that allowed corporate profiteering since the pandemic. Everytime she said the economy was doing well was idiotic.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I heard a woman I work with, whose boss is a woman say two days before an election "I can't vote for a woman. They are emotional and make petty choices." And I was blown away.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

A self fulfilling prophecy, in a way.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

As the pettiest of all modern or maybe all presidents ever gets elected. LOL

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

Oh I couldn't point out the irony without revealing who I was voting for. And I don't discuss politics at work. I keep it completely segregated.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 20 hours ago

Her campaign was awful. Her whole deal was that she was going to do more of what Biden did. You know, the guy we didn't want to reelect so she stepped up to run? Also she pushed right the whole time. She gunned for centrist votes. She should have leaned into Walz's policy ideas on a broader scale. In fact, walz probably would have had a pretty good chance if he were the DNC candidate. She also campaigned in the strangest places. Why on earth did she rally in Houston? She could have gone anywhere in the swing states with the Beyonce performance but she went to a city that was already going to vote blue on a state that has a moonshot's chance to flip from red. She should have spent more time in GA, PA, and AZ. But hindsight is 2020.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago

Sorry, but she had a ton of hype and squandered it by saying she would be the same as Biden, would have the most lethal military, didn't separate on Gaza, focused on small businesses instead of all Americans, flipflopped on Medicare and fracking in both the worst ways, picked a progressive vp and caged him in bad neoliberal talking points instead of adopting his hard agenda, and tried to push for a republican written border bill instead of trying to reframe the issue in a any progressive way. Most Americans, Republicans included care about immigration and ALSO agree on a pathway to citizenship.

People gave her the benefit of the doubt and she told them to accept her as she wanted to be. You can't continue to shame a voter base indefinitely, politicians are supposed to campaign in a way that wins votes.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 21 hours ago

People are still criticizing her laugh.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean, her campaign was pretty awful in a lot of ways. It started out strong but since the DNC it was misstep after misstep. I dunno about you, but I love hearing the president say they'll only be different than Biden, because they'll have more Republicans in their cabinet. I love hearing they're going to build the wall. I love hearing them talk all the time about the fact that Cheney endorsed them. I love hearing how profracking they are. And I love their silence on the genocide in Gaza. Certainly, sexism and racism plays a role, but let's not kid ourselves here.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Zero of these things were said

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
  1. “Listen, I plan on having a Republican in my Cabinet,” Harris elaborated. “You ask me what’s the difference between Joe Biden and me, well that will be one of the differences.” https://www.yahoo.com/news/harris-sparks-outrage-admitting-biggest-185725601.html

  2. Both Trump and Harris say they'll build more border wall. In this county, the parts have been waiting, and rusting, since 2021. https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/trump-harris-border-wall-arizona-rusting-2021-rcna173094

  3. Kamala thanks Liz and Dick Cheney, "This endorsement matters a great deal." https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7S-Sk2TbdjE

  4. "Harris said she was “honored” to have the backing of such “respected” people, and touted the Cheneys’ support at last week’s presidential debate." https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/kamala-harris-dick-cheney-endorsement/

  5. Harris supported the Green New Deal. Now, she’s promoting domestic oil drilling https://apnews.com/article/harris-fracking-energy-climate-trump-election-debate-1b86dfb4297facd0b89c487724a9e5b0

[–] [email protected] -2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

In tone and in substance, this matches 30% what you wrote, if I'm being generous

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago

Considering its their opinion, its 100% accurate.