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How is it that Trump followers are pro Nazis and pro Israel at the same time? Or is it because Israel is starting to follow Nazis' footsteps?
Well in some cases that's complicated. Dominionists will support anyone that either will bring in the end times or the destruction of Israel because that's part of their end time beliefs. They also support anyone that claims to be Christian. Supporting Israel until it is destroyed is all part of their convoluted fantasy life.
The cynical support for Israel is something that runs very, very deep with the xtian nationalists. There have been various documentaries that touch on this, but one of the more recent ones I've seen (and remember the name of) is: "Praying for Armageddon".
It's a place created as a home for jews pretty much by antisemites, with the main idea being "we're okay with jews but only if they're not in our country".
There's a lot of fascinating history about the creation of Israel by antisemites that you can find, but the gist is that zionism and antisemitism often go hand in hand, and it seems this has not really changed.
Some of it is rooted in xtian zionism, and it's not because they have any special regard for Jews other than as pawns for their dopey eschatological notions. They just think the Jews have to be in Israel to fulfill prophecies that involve a magical Jewish carpenter coming back (and killing most of the Jews, by the way).
Nazis love the idea of a single state for each group of people. They love it as a destination for deportations fulfilling their short-term bigoted plans.
Of course their long-term bigoted plans are invasion, stealing resources, and mass murder.
It has to do with what they believe is predicted in Revelations, which is to say in order to bring about the Second coming they need a mountain of dead Jews. Best way to ensure that outcome is to vehemently support Israel as their genocidal wars spiral out of control. That's why Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, it's symbolic to the Christian Nationalists
Taking care of one enemy first and then the other. Belief in religious stuff is fungible, so it doesn’t count for shit
Edit and white people who support Nazism are in for a rude awakening when their own group starts defining “good white” vs “bad white”. Ask the Irish, Italians, Eastern Europeans, etc.
They're both far-right ideologically, and it turns out the idea of "never again" to Zionists means "Never again to us"
...and the best way they believe to make sure of this, is by genociding other peoples.
So at the end of the day it's Dominionism amd The Book of Revalations. It's the idea that once the Jews take control of the holy land the apocalyptic prophesies in the Book of Revelations will be set into motion and God will come down from heaven and separate the 144,000 good holy people from the sinners who didn't belive in God and take them into heaven, probably rapture style.
Being Pro Israel and a conservative isn't really about caring about the history of prejudice the Jewish people have faced throughout much of history, it's about using the Jewish people as a pawn in fulfilling a ~2000 year old prophesy.
I'm encouraged that this is becoming more well known
Watch Praying for Armageddon; I've seen other docs that cover this as well, but this is a fairly recent one.
Yuuuup.
I find it equal parts infuriating and hilarious... These motherfuckers want to pull some "Jesus hates this one trick!" type shit to trick their lord into appearing sooner than would "naturally" happen and they don't think the all knowing all powerful God wouldn't realize they had millions of people killed purposely for this? Their meddling and enabling is what would have that region in the state of war "required" for Armageddon...
Like what?
Fun fact: Kelsey Grammar (Frasier) is a proud Trump supporter and Christian who also publicly supported Roseanne Barr after she was fired from her show's reboot for tweeting that one of Obama's advisers was what happened when the "Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes had a baby".
Big oof... What a "wonderful" person... Didn't you know though, Roseanne was only racist because she was on Ambien!
Side effects may include: dizziness, upset stomach, headaches, slight fascist tendencies, blurred vision, and racism.
I believe in their view, it's presented as 'god can't come back until conditions are right, don't keep him waiting'
The answer to why god needs their help when he's all powerful is some mumbling about tests of faith and the unknowable nature of the divine
Also, killing millions in his name? Old testament God is probably fully erect watching it.
It's something I've noticed is pretty consistent across a lot of the very evangelical Protestant denominations, they have so many contradictions that just asking some veryxbasic questions just shorts out and they have to rely on thought terminating cliches. At least the less insane Protestant denominations and the Catholic Church try to maintain some level of actively grapple with the conflicting concepts. The catholic church for all its problems does have theologians throughout its history attempting to make more logical sense of the beliefs, even if many of those beliefs are somewhat nonsensical.
And literally multiple times in the gospels Jesus literally says none of us will know the day or the hour of his return. And so many people take the Book of Revalations at face value rather than understanding it as more of an encoded hit piece against most likely Emperor Nero who very much ramped up persecution against the early Christians. Basically saying, this Nero guy is a piece of shit but don't lose faith.
The actual mid-20th century German Nazis wanted to create an Israel, although they intended on it being in a different place. It was basically their way to "justify" deporting every Jew
They only support Israel because they hate Muslims more.
"The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, but we'll tolerate them while they kill the right people."
And because the religious sect believes they need the Jews to bring Armageddon/the rapture.
Conservatives aren't actually Christian, you realize? It's all virtue signaling to disguise being vile snakes out to enrich themselves and their families, while actively fucking over the rest of the country/world to get there.
Dont fall into the rhetoric, those arguments are a distraction.
It's sad you're being downvoted by "Reddit Atheist" types
Dumbasses missed the point of your post. You are absolutely right. Their religiosity is performative to mask the fact that they are just shit human beings.
Sorry, point taken. I definitely was directing my "Conservatives" comment specifically at conservatives in the government.
Obviously, my comment was. HUGE blanket generalization, which is never a great stance.
The xtian nationalists/zionists would declare they are the ONLY xtians. It's not a distraction at all; their goofy bullshit about their chosen version of the various Abrahamic cults is something they absolutely believe in and it's dragging down all of humanity.
You're mistaken. While I would agree that most conservative politicians, pundits, and mouthpieces are con artists who don't actually believe most of the religious bullshit they pander, the average conservative voter does trend significantly more religious. This is true practically everywhere in the world. Religion is the primary source of conservative beliefs and ideology.
Those republicans use identity politics and religion to control the votes of evangelical/fundamentalist christians.
Not all conservatives are the same. I know plenty of the staunchly religious type. Two things can be true at the same time.
It's because Israel is a genocidal settler-colonial apartheid state set up by the European and North American powers to colonize the middle east.
They're different subgroups
there is that, but I think also many republicans have a weird cognitive dissonance where they're antisemitic in general, but still very pro-israel/zionist because of fundamental christianity, and/or they are even more islamaphobic than antisemitic.
I think that they are pro-Israel because they want all the American Jews to move there to rid them of "the problem" of American Jews. Think of them like national segregationists - they don't mind Jewish people existing as long as they are "over there". And it's also in Israel's interest to project themselves as the only place in the world where Jews can be safe.
Honestly I could see some of them being stupid enough to think Isreal is majority Christian. Like they'd be "ethnically Jewish" but Christian religion.