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When lunatics start talking about expelling all Israelis 'Back to Europe' instead of integrating them in a one-state solution
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this post was submitted on 06 Jul 2025
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While it is a lunatic statement, it isn't antisemitic. It's only antisemitic if it applies to jewish Palestinians that have a connection to the land. The jewish Israelis of European descent aren't connected to the land. Thus, this isn't antisemitic. But I do agree that it is a lunatic statement anyway.
EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that this is a nationalist stance not an antisemitic one. Those expecting all Israelis to leave like that aren't doing so because they're jews but because they're settlers. This is however, if you lack the reading comprehension, a position I haven't even claimed to support, but on the contrary, I even condemned it. What I am doing here is pointing out that not everything that relates to Israel has to boil down to antisemitism. That's a braindead position
I live in North America, and I have European descent, and I have a connection to the land. I can trace my family back 13 generations in North America. But even if I could not, being born somewhere gives you a connection to the land. Unless you're Trump, I daresay this is a widely-agreed-on perspective. I don't think anyone should have to be kicked out of the place they were born.
And yet that's not what I argued at all. Maybe read that again. Of course it's insane to kick people out from the place they were born in. I just said that this has nothing to do with antisemitism but just pure nationalism. They're not asking them to leave because they're jewish but because they're settler. But again, this entire discussion is stupid anyway, since it's insane to expect people to leave in mass the place they were born in.
Okay, I see what you're saying about how it's not specifically anti-semitism, it's anti-colonialism. What I consider to be anti-semitic though is the idea that someone is a colonist solely by the virtue of being born Jewish in Israel. (Please note that I'm not claiming something outrageous like no Jew born in Israel is a colonist, or even that the proponderance of colonialist ideology is rare in Israel.)
How do you feel about german babies born in poland during ww2? Or YTs holding all the land in south africa?
And maybe you should look at your own privileged life from a similar angle.
I look at my own privileged life from many angles. If I don't belong here, then where do I belong? Some other country I've never been to, am not a citizen of, and who hates immigrants? Everyone belongs somewhere.
Well, unless you're Donald Trump, and want to end birthright citizenship.
Regarding youtubes in South Africa holding all the land -- as a leftist I don't really believe in strong private property rights. The land should be liberated. That doesn't mean I think they should be kicked out, or that some other country should take them. Well, unless you're Donald Trump, and want to invite "south african refugees" into your country.
Oh my fucking God, when did leftism become Blut und Boden nationalism?
Just because I'm calling out the stupid claim that this is antisemitism it doesn't mean I'm supporting nationalism. It's just a stupid stance to scream antisemitism at everything especially when this is a purely nationalist issue, which again, I don't agree with. Those screaming that all Israelis should leave are doing so not because they're jews but because they're settlers lol
This you?
Yeah. They're settlers. That's what I was pointing out. This has nothing to do with antisemitism. And there's a discussion to be had about settlers, repaying their debt to the people they've wronged and colonized over decades, and so on and so forth. I come from jewish descent myself. I have no connection to Palestine. Jewish Israelis from Europe are settlers, despite their claims of having a connection to the land, in contrast to jewish Israelis originally from Palestine. This is the difference I'm trying to point out. This doesn't mean that I support the mass expulsion of any people. But again, this is a nationalist issue not "antisemitism". Not that nationalism is okay anyway. Just stop watering down the meaning of antisemitism just because it doesn't fit into Israel's whims.
The idea of an innate 'connection to the land' wherein those whose ancestors are from the 'wrong' place don't have that sacred blood-and-soil connection is literally exactly what I'm talking about and what you're openly fucking defending here as an attack, specifically, against Jewish Israelis, and even more specifically, against Jewish Israelis of European descent.
"I'm only putting forward insane blood-and-soil nationalist arguments because they're Jews of the wrong race! It's not antisemitic or racist!"
You have fun with your Nazi shite. We're done here.
So you're free to go colonize any part of the world because if the locals complain about it then they're nazis. LMAO
Remember kids, if your ancestors came from the wrong place, it's okay if people want to deport you to it. You don't have the sacred blood that connects you to the land, unlike True ~~Aryans~~ Locals! Ethnic cleansing is okay if it's against Bad Ethnicity(tm)!
That you use the exact same arguments as Zionist genocidaires and fail to see the irony is sadly unsurprising.
I haven't claimed such a thing so you must be reading between the lines there. I specifically called out the fact that deporting people is stupid. Anyway, this isn't antisemitism no matter how hard you try to paint it like it is. It's purely a nationalist/colonial issue. Watering down the meaning of antisemitism won't help anyone but the zionazis, which given your CIA-like methods of derailing the conversation, wouldn't surprise me at all if you were just a zio troll
Pretty sure it's the zios who are all about the blut and boden, even though they're foreign colonizers.
And it would seem many are content to imitate the Zionists in parroting that Nazi shite. Congratulations on being manipulated by literal fucking Zionists.