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I have never, ever heard of someone calling for the deportation of Israelis. I think anyone who wants that was probably anti-semitic already and has taken the objectively horrific actions of the IDF as a reason to hate Jewish people in general.
This is the innate issue with creating an ethno-state, it makes it difficult to delineate grievances between ethnicity and state. I don’t know what the solution is, but I find it understandable that some people would agree with expulsion.
Is it really ethnic cleansing when the ethno-state they built continues to genocide their neighbors with the approval of the vast majority of its citizens?
By that logic that birth in Israel gives the right to stay there, this would in turn mean that this birth revokes the right to compensation for the ancestors that were murdered in the Holocaust or survived it and chose not to go back to Germany.
I don’t think anyone should have to be kicked out of the place they were born. How do you feel about german babies born in poland during ww2? Or YTs holding all the land in south africa?
If you read the first comment I made I said it wasn’t my belief but I understand why Palestinians would want Israelis to migrate back to Europe... However, I recognize that it’s not my people who are suffering from apartheid and genocide, and that those people have their own autonomy and will seek their own retribution.
Israelis chanting death to entire ethnicities but nooooo we can’t say anything that might hurt their poor lil feelings. Bunch of bollocks.
Should European-Americans all “just relocate” since we occupied North America from the Native Americans?
Otherwise I don’t see how you’re any different than the Israelites.
Well one happened in living memory and people are still living in the houses of displaced people in Palestine.
Zionism is similarly a genocidal fascist ideology. If these colonizers can’t handle freedom, democracy, equality, etc., then they should definitely return to their actual homes.
Idk, any Israeli citizen currently living there (that wasn’t born there) is a first generation colonizer, surely it’s not anti-semetic to call for that specific subgroup’s relocation, no?
The "GO BACK TO EUROPE, THE LAND OF YOUR ANCESTORS", "Israelis are committing ethnic cleansing by their existence", and "Genocide is Okay, Actually, if it's in response to another genocide" are widespread in this very fucking thread.
As long as:
Stolen land is given back, and criminals prosecuted,
Sure.
So I, a jew who has never even been to Israel, who's ancestors left centuries ago, am responsible for the state of Israel in any fucking way?
Jewish does not mean Israeli... At all.
Ummm I never said that.
I agree that Jewish does not mean Israeli.
I'm specifically talking about individuals involved in war crimes that they should be held accountable.
Anti semitic remarks are not the same as anti Israeli remarks
I feel nothing when that guy changed "death, death to the IDF". Well, maybe a mix of amusement and concern. But I have nothing, at all, to do with the IDF and do not support what they do
When you say, in this context, "I'll cool it with the anti semitic comments when war criminals are brought to justice", how do you think that feels?
Don't take this shit casually, anti semitism goes back to biblical times. I've experienced it growing up. And now, they're asking new York Jews what they think of "their" prime minister? They're "othering" us already
They just built a concentration camp. In America. The Holocaust wasn't the first time they targeted the Jews as the enemy within. I've always reminded my family who start flirting with conservatism... We're always second. When they run out of people that look different, we're next
I know what you meant. But that's not what you said, and words matter
I'm onboard with that, man. Like I said, I'm down with everything up to the very destruction of the Israeli state. It's just ethnic cleansing and antisemitism I'm opposed to.
With climate change picking up the pace in the last few years, not sure how much longer this area will even be inhabitable.
Imagine if nature does what humankind could not - ends the whole miserable crisis.
I mean sure. Don't me a racist bigot. Of course.
But let's not pretend that religion isn't fueling the atrocities being committed on both sides of the conflict.
Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived in that area together for hundreds of years. This is a political conflict. The fucking Israeli settlers are psychopaths who roll into towns and start setting things on fire. It’s about territory, like all colonialist aggression.
Just gonna leave this here…
Religion does have a nonzero influence, but you're correct in that this is primarily a political conflict. Zionists murder Muslim and Christian Palestinians alike, and Fatah, a secular resistance movement, was the leading org of the Palestinian side for the longest time.
Religion isn't fueling it, it is just used as moral justification from both sides. If religion didn't exist the same thing would happen, but with a different form of moral justification.
It's a ton of racism too. Darker skinned Jews get all sorts of discrimination, it's just not as extreme as someone who is Palestinian.
This is what I said and then someone blew up in my face about it when I said this in another thread/post. Why are people so hard headed when it comes to accepting reality I wonder.
If it wasn't religion it would be race or ideology or language or eye color. You could press a button and eliminate religion from history and all of these problems would still exist.