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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (5 children)

There's weeks left to go 'til the convention, plenty of time to run an actual primary if the DNC wanted to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I don't think there time for an actual primary. I'd favor an open convention tbh.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

But only Harris can keep the funds accumulated for Biden's campaign, right? Wouldn't make much sense to go for another candidate I think...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I'm not confident how this stuff works, because it's dumb as hell, but any PAC can do whatever they want, as long as they don't directly coordinate with the campaign. The Biden-Harris PAC can just use their money to support whoever the Democrats choose I believe. It doesn't have to be spent supporting either of them.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Given the source of most campaign financing in the USA, I'd actually prefer a candidate who refuses to touch PAC money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"The only candidate I like is the one who has no chance of winning!"

Fucking leftists getting played like a fiddle by purity testing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, "Purity testing" like asking for left candidates to actually be left and not just more center-right neoliberals.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You fuckers call everyone center-right. By your insane definition, the Democratic party is center right so you should stop demanding they put up a candidate that statistically no one in the country wants.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

By your insane definition, the Democratic party is center right

That's most of the world's definition. America has a conservative party and a right-wing nutjob party.

If you don't like facts, you're going to hate it when I start pointing out policy differences between them and left-of-center parties. XD

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Boo-hoo, America isn't the center of the multiverse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is the center of the American presidential election, dumbass.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I dunno how else to explain it, bub. America is in the world, so I use the world's political scale.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why the fuck would you do that? It's not a global political contest. It's one internal to the United States.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Either I'm not understanding the question, or you've got some weird ideas about politics. America does not exist outside the context of the world, why the fuck wouldn't I consider the full range of politics when evaluating an internal contest?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This topic is specifically about American politics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You're talking about the America on Earth, right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No, no. Lets be extremely clear here.

You think America is exceptional among countries on Earth for some reason, right? It's special so it gets to have its own special definitions for common political terms, right?

Elaborate on that for me, if you would.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

You're right and I wish they would, but I have near zero faith in their willingnes, ability, and coordination.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

plenty of time to run an actual primary

Look at what a practical idea this is

As with other things e.g. Bernie Sanders as the nominee, there actually is a sensible option here, which is running a contested convention… it is highly notable to me that a lot of the people offering such constructive criticism on this topic are so studiously avoiding those sensible strategies when they are trying to “help”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I dunno, there are actually quite a few sensible and practical ideas in this thread, your thread, btw. Your post has elicited a good discussion, why throw shade on the people earnestly participating? If you actually want a contested convention, this thread is nothing compared to some of the wild shit that would go down in that scenario.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Because redoing the primary is an absurd idea

And I am, probably to an excessive and embittered degree, made cynical by the amount of open propaganda in and out of the media which is attempting to put out bad ideas on purpose to hurt the Democrats and help the fascists

And you’re not wrong. A contested convention would be a massive shit show which might doom the Democrats in the election irrevocably. But it might also produce a nominee with some kind of mandate, which would be nice. It would also be feasible to do, whereas holding another primary election would not.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Ideally, yeah, but think about the logistics of pulling something like that off. And would it be a full primary redo? Like fresh ballots sent out to all dems? Or do you mean a mini primary just with the existing delegates? Because we already voted in the Democratic primary election…

I’m just really trying to be pragmatic about this, I can’t imagine a scenario where we pull this off and come out stronger. I would love to be wrong.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

If we used Ranked choice voting, then we could simply switch to the next in line. That is, if the democrats would grace us with a primary.

Please sir, but a scrap of representative democracy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

If there is an actual primary, it will not be with actual voters, but amongst the named delegates (99% of whom are pledged to Biden and are obligated to vote for him of he is still in the race) and the superdelegates.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Saying a month is "plenty" of time to plan and run any kind of election on a national level is so ridiculously out-of-touch I read it back like five times thinking maybe it was sarcastic. Off the top of my head there's booking polling places, securing & training staff, voting machines, ballots that need to make their way through the entire supply chain starting all the way back at pre-production. Mail in ballots alone usually go out like a month ahead of time to compensate for issues with the mail.

At this point in time, there's a higher probability of Superman flying around the world backwards to rewind time and correct the gunman's aim to actually hit Trump at that rally than there is of the Democrats being able to successfully pull off a second primary in a month. And that's not even to touch the "coming out stronger" piece of it, which again, no chance in hell that happens with the kind of chaos a second primary would cause.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The idea that elections take years is an artifact of our broken news cycle. England can call for snap elections and install a new government just 25 days later, and that's England.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

England is also a much, much smaller country in terms of both size and population.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

They have less GPD per capita too, but still manage it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Um OK but surely they already have policy, processes, and infrastructure in place to successfully execute it within that time frame. There's a big difference between being already set up for it and the Dems randomly deciding that they're going to run another primary next week.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

I guess the USA just can't handle it. We must be pretty weak.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago

That sounds like the party's problem.

They should spend some of Biden's PAC money on it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

People live in their fantasies, where national primary elections are just a cut and paste affair that takes two days to set up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

You know, they could be. But I agree right now they aren't.

Personally, I don't think it matters in this case. It's not like we had a robust primary from the Dems this time around.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Probly just the superdelegates choosing in secret, like they threaten too if they don’t like the public vote. If their going to only be Democratic when it’s convenient, they might as well as course correct. I am for replacing Biden, but if they are even talking about it now they best get a move on. Apathy is gaining ground every second they are not at the wheel.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Probly just the superdelegates choosing in secret, like they threaten too if they don’t like the public vote.

Feeling free yet?