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[–] [email protected] 171 points 5 months ago (7 children)

He can, because there's no law against it. Probably nobody thought there'd ever need to be!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Keep in mind that the founding fathers were guilty of what would have been considered a lot of grave crimes by England, which was formerly the jurisdiction that applied to them.

So they probably wouldn't have had a huge appetite for blocking political rights of criminals given their recent standing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Ha, fair point.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My man Eugen Debbs ran from prison in the early 1900s. He was thrown in prison for speaking out again the war (the first amendment wasn’t much protection back in the day).

It is good that he could run, since he was a political prisoner. He advocated for the common man against the corrupt institutions.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

Agreed. There are situations where it totally makes sense to have a felon run for president. This isn’t one of them

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And if he wins again, he's going to Pardon everybody who buys one from him. Including himself. Because there's no law against it, and nobody thought that there ever needed to be for that either.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He can't pardon himself for this one, it's a State level crime, not a Federal one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

He can appoint two new members to the Supreme Court and then have them rule that Trump, as President, is immune to being prosecuted or held responsible for any state or federal crime but like Bush v. Gore it isn't a precedent and doesn't apply to any other President.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I find it wild that a felon loses their right to vote, but they could run for office. So he could run for president, but he can't vote for himself. 🤨

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

It's all down to state vs federal powers. States have the power to decide how voting happens in their state, within limits set by the Constitution. They can ban felons, or not.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

A felon also loses their 2nd amendment rights.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

That's one less vote for him, at least

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If a convicted felon loses their right to vote, they should not be allowed to run for president.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

They would make protesting Israel a felony so fucking fast

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But the kicker is that he isn’t allowed to vote right? New York restore voting rights after you have completed your sentence if I remember correctly.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He's a Florida resident now, but I believe they also take away the right to vote for felons until their sentence is complete.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Florida… HAHAHAHA, this is effin’ to good to be true… in Florida you risk lose your voting rights FOREVER!!!!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Florida lets felons vote again.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 5 months ago (8 children)

As an outsider that’s pretty wild. So you can’t buy a firearm but you can be president and control them all. Like what?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Cant vote either

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Don't forget, it's not like he has a right to the presidency. The president is voted in. So technically speaking the people decide if the felonies make a difference or not

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Also, you can't vote in many regressive, discriminatory states but they'd like up in their Klan hoods to vote this felon into office as there is no restriction on becoming president. Rules for thee

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Remember, there is a mechanism that prevents criminals from winning elections and holding offices, it's the one that's the best one in a democracy. The voters.

It's not good to give governments the power to decide who does and doesn't deserve to hold authority, it is good to let voters decide if someone's crimes are relevant to the election.

Sadly, it seems many Americans do not agree with me that trump is not suitable for office. Hopefully enough do that they decide not to vote for him

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We've got these things called "social media" that are built expressly for the purpose of influencing people to buy more stuff (literally in the name: influencers). And if it can get people to part with their money, you can be sure the same tools can be used to get people to vote against their own interests.

We thought the internet was a tool to spread democracy. We were wrong. The Internet is a tool used to undermine democracy, so long as people using the Internet are not strongly inoculated against organized interests, foreign, and domestic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Who thought the intent was to spread Democracy?

The Internet's been both very good and very bad for Democracy. Without the internet, most people would be at the mercy of CNN or Fox to explain all the horrible things Donny Two Scoops has done.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

Our lack of laws around the POTUS are a glaring. It's insane that a judge can preside over a case where the defendant is a former president who appointed them. Like Judge Cannon and 3 members of the SCOTUS.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The concern of the founding fathers was that one state would have political reasons to rush a trial and get a legitimate candidate convicted of a crime in their court. If the conviction was legitimate, it was supposed to be handled by the Electors of the Electoral College.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If the conviction is legitimate, the Electoral College has ways to shut that down.

[–] [email protected] 145 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Actually the thought is if the government can just imprison you to stop your candidacy, they have too much power.

Thus they can continue to run.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I would say just don’t break any laws then, but laws can change and people are terrible.

Edit: Pretty sure you’re all downvoting a misunderstanding.

I’m saying I get why it’s a thing because people would convict their opponents. Not that I was actually saying well don’t break any laws.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

just don’t break any laws then

A very naïve idea :-(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Especially when you get into archaic laws that aren't enforced or widely known.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but a corrupt government can fabricate evidence to keep their enemies silenced.

Look at Russia and their treatment of Alexei Navalny.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or just regular ass black people in America.