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The most important part of this is the primaries. If we fill these seats with a bunch of Chuck Schumers/Hakeem Jeffries it won't make a difference. If we fill them with Zohran Mamdanis, on the other hand...
Honestly, primaries are all that matter.
If progressives don’t win the primaries, all we have to vote for are centrists and fascists, which means more fascism.
Please, please vote in primaries and get everyone you know to vote in the primaries, too.
Which is probably why the DNC didn’t let us have a primary for the 2024 election. They knew their status quo candidate didn’t have any juice behind her but didn’t want to open the door to that criticism.
There was a primary, and Biden won by a landslide.
Oh quit this horse shit. Nothing worse than an obvious liar.
There literally were primaries. I don't approve of the outcome, but they did hold primaries.
Biden wasn't on my ballot during the election
No, since he was forced out months after the primaries. I don't know if it had gone better had he stayed though...
That was not a primary. That was a ruse to fool people like you.
It literally was a primary. None of us have to approve of the candidates or the result, but they did hold primaries.
Meh, any Democrat is better than any Republican. The fact that Trump rages on twitter about Schumer means something hes doing is right.
It's giving "getting kicked in the nuts is better than getting kicked in the head."
Which it undeniably is
Getting kicked in the nuts is better than being gutted with a fishing knife.
Yeah, no shit.
It's not something everyone recognizes.
You think exapanded healthcare is a kick in the nuts?
I think complicity with a humanitarian crisis that gets repeatedly labeled as either genocide or ethnic cleansing is a kick in the nuts.
I think 128 Dem reps voting with Republicans to table impeachment proceedings against an authoritarian president is a kick in the nuts.
But more to your point, I think arguing for expanding healthcare within the context of a system of predatory insurance companies and for-profit healthcare facilities does little to actually fix what is wrong with healthcare. So yeah, kick in the nuts for sure.
Honey your options are genocide or passive nonconfrontational opposition to genocide.
If you cared at all about Pallestine you would want to remove every Republican first and foremost.
Psst. They don't actually care about Palestine or they would have voted for the best possible option for Palestine.
It was always about stroking their moral superiority boner.
Sorry babe, you're a lost cause. You keep moving around from argument to argument to just avoid facing the reality: the democratic party, in its current form, offers nothing of substance that resonates with voters. If you're right, and theyre bring 'misled', then that just solidifies how awfully impotent Dem messaging is.
I stuck to the topic you brought up, pal.
You picked a strawman by saying that our only options against Palestinian genocide are active participation or finger-wagging, yet mentioned nothing regarding Democratic representatives voting against impeachment or the need for top-to-bottom restructuring of our healthcare system rather than reforming a broken model. Youre only consistent line of argument is that all Republicans are bad.
However, I take great pause at the fact that you are so quick to endorse the elimination of a party that represents a sizeable portion of the population (as awful as they might be) and believe the solution is the establishment of a one-party system with a political party that you seemingly find to be infallible.
My takeaway is that what you really want is to punish Republican voters, yet you fail to see just how much you resemble them.
The argument of "all Republicans are bad" is corroborated by the evidence. Your argument of "Everything short of utopia is hell and there is no point in doing anything unless it brings an utopia, and even then it's pointless" is corroborated by shit out of your ass.
My argument is for improving broken systems, speaking the truth, and holding power accountable. If we're not striving to make society better and more inclusive, than what are we doing?
It's what you're saying, but it's not your argument. Your argument is to be ineffective and doing nothing, while pretending that you hold moral high ground by doing so. The "firebombing wallmart" is overused metaphor, but it still holds.
I'm simply engaging with other individuals over topics I feel strongly about. That's what forums are for.
I've made my argument clear throughout the thread: I believe the Democratic Party has lost its way and needs new leadership and a truly progressive platform.
You came in with nothing but resentment and simple-minded insults because you're triggered, bored, and have nothing of value to add. Whatever you think of me is simply something I can't be bothered to care about.
Yeah but the old-school Dems won't inspire people to get off their ass and vote.
Personally, they have and they will. I love the DNC platform, I hope soon we can give them more than 50 senate seats for the first time in over a decade.
I love their platform as well! But they are not executing. All the talk and position papers in the world mean nothing IRL if there's no action.
Theres no action because they haven't had more than 50 seats (including caucus) in over a decade.
So, might it be fair to say they're losing? Perhaps because they can't execute?
You're mad that the people you refuse to let do the thing aren't doing the thing?
Man, if you want to argue that milquetoast moderate Dems get the largest number of votes by offending the least number of potential voters, that's one thing, but old-school Dems have a very poor track record of generating enthusiasm compared to alternatives.
Thats why I said "personally" as in me myself.
Hey, if you ever want to come join us here in reality, I'll save you a seat.
I'm sorry you choose to believe in an alternate reality, get well soon.
Yupp, don't let them tell you yet another "compromise" candidate, who "at least isn't the red elephant person" is gonna cut it. They have been losing elections, they spark no enthusiasm, they are not the "safe option".
That being said, do organise and network outside of party politics, too. Elections are an important part of everything, they to mould the status quo to some degree, and can heavily shift context of further political work - but getting beyond the structural shit that put Trump into power requires more than that. Joining (preferrably radical) unions, showing up to town halls and the likes, networking with neighbours and friends for mutual aid and emergency support, community defence organisations, civil rights orgs, etc. etc. Both informal and formal organisation is needed wherever you can.
‘They’ say that because turnout for primaries is always abysmal, so candidates who make it to generals are usually centrist.
If progressives actually voted in primaries, they’d have the options they want in generals. But usually, the vast majority who vote in primaries are older, more moderate voters.
Progressive candidates exist, but if you want them, you can’t just vote every 4 years.
Fair - find and support your people, people!