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I've said it before: Every Democrat I know in real life seems like an empathetic person, so it's astonishing they choose these ghouls to represent them.
They're convinced that they don't have a choice.
That's because Congress has been piss-poor at being representative of the people.
It's usually not about who shares the policy positions of the electorate as much as who can scrape together enough money to buy enough ads to convince them that they're the one most likely to beat the other team.
That's how Pelosi became Speaker in the first place in spite of having no legislative accomplishments to speak of nor seniority: she was simply the best at collecting fat checks from rich people and their corporations.
Pelosi had literal decades of political experience, and was co-authoring legislation in the late 80s concerning the AIDs crisis. She became Speaker after Democrats won control of the house with her as minority leader -- a position she won in 2002/2003 after being directly under it for a couple years.
I get not liking Pelosi, or fundraising I guess, but it's bizarre when criticisms are spun seemingly whole cloth.
Yeah, decades of effectively soliciting bribes in exchange for being one of the most pro-corporate democrats in all of California and that's saying a LOT in the neoliberal utopia of Hollywood, a huge chunk of the music industry and Silicon Valley.
So was many other experienced democrats who didn't pander to the rich as effectively as the queen of fundraising.
No matter how little you like admitting it, that WAS the only way in which she excelled over other prospective candidates for minority leader and then Speaker.
So now we're saying she actually did have both signficant political and legislative experience, but won because of a penchant for fundraising. Which is something you see as soliciting bribes. That's a fair interpretation.
From your original comment:
My gripe is why invent this idea that her taking a bunch of bribes and being good at soliciting more is the sole reason they made her speaker, with no other qualifications? She had held prominent positions within the party for a while (decades), and was minority whip (second in command essentially) for some time prior to becoming Leader/Speaker. She was minority leader when Dems took the house, which automatically makes her a major contender for the position and she was comparable to her opponents on the whole. A cursory search of her career casts a ton of doubt on your claims, and they're obviously flawed to someone who lived through that time.
Getting caught up in bashing Pelosi waters down the legit criticism you have, and makes your viewpoint seem biased. We should be upset that her penchant for fundraising is such an asset, not that she was good at it in the first place.
Our "democracy" does this by design. Looking at history, it's hard to believe we can ever fix this.
Yeah I know. All the rules are written and being written by the already rich and powerful. Based on the world's oldest national constitution still in use.
Who would have thought that perpetually basing society on the opinions of a bunch of slave owning WASPs would lead to inequality ‽
And then we're supposed to feel enthused about voting for the candidate who's gracious enough to harm fewer marginalized groups, rather than feeling perpetually depressed and miserable about the whole situation, which seems like a normal reaction.
I wouldn't say it's by design. It hasnt had any updates in quite awhile. It's like a Commodore 64 trying to play Skyrim. When it was designed, the world was much different. We have not updated our government to catch up.
the good ol' lesser of two evils.
You dont really get a choice on who the party chooses to prop up and runs. See, Bernie Sanders. But, hell, I've seen it ag the grass roots level in my state. The people with the power in the party decide who goes on the ballot.
Bernie Sanders almost won, though. I'm holding out hope that the Democrats can be reformed, but I'm still voting Green.
It's really not very democratic, in the strict sense of the term
It's exclusionary by design
A prerequisite for being a politician is also being a narcissistic sociopath. The few that aren't/weren't are the deviation from that, and usually get hamstrung if not just killed anyway.
I've actually considered running for local office, but I decided against it for a couple reasons, one being my unusual work schedule, and the other being the fact that I can't imagine being around politicians that much.
Anyway, it's pretty clear we need more than elections to fix whatever it is this is.
My dad ran for local office and only served one term because he said it was fucking awful.
Yeah, I can imagine
He was in office when they approved a new development nearby, and being an old-time hippy he tried to make it walkable and full of trees. When I saw the monstrosities of houses and apartments going up I asked him why the hell it looked so awful. He said that was the best plan that he was legally allowed to approve. So now we have a bunch of ugly apartments next to really ugly houses next to extremely ugly strip malls, all with parking minimums. And my dad had to vote for that one because all the other ones were worse.
Sound familiar?
But, hey, they painted a bike lane on a deadly five-lane road so that's progress, right?
People in public office don't get a say in how the houses look in any municipality I've ever worked in. They can have a say in the total layout, but not how the houses specifically look, unless it's something special like a historical district.
Clearly. These things are hideous. My dad would never willingly approve them, and now I have to see them every damn day.
I can't wait until I move so far out of town that I can't see any other lights.
This does sound familiar, sadly. But it also makes me feel like my city council rep is doing her best in a very bad situation.
Sadly, local politicians can't even address the really impactful stuff, like trans youth being denied access to healthcare, or refugees being detained or deported.
Sometimes I really want to fucking off myself, this world is so hopelessly hateful and grim
In my experience they appear to be until you bring up some issues, then they turn into bloodthirsty monsters.
For example, my my goes completely Ooga booga genocidal when Isreal is brought up.
Or on housing: She won’t even entertain any solutions that don’t let landlords keep exploiting people’s basic need for homes. She gets all “why should they have to give up property? They worked for it! Shouldn’t they be able to make money?” She can’t possibly empathize enough to value the basic needs of most people over the right for people who already own more than they need to profit off of others who have less than they need.
Honestly, I think most of them just don’t like the aesthetic of the Republican Party more than they’re actually opposed to conservative politics.
If your installation of Oobabooga is unstable, you might need to switch LLMs
Yeah, that's probably why these horrible people end up in office. Most Democrats I know are my father, who says he's socialist and actually used to teach history, and local politicians who seem pretty good, but I imagine they're not necessarily a good cross section of the party.
That's why it literally surprised me when Biden won the primaries, like what
Not sure how that was surprising to anyone paying attention at the time lol
Well then it's a good thing you're able to pay attention to all things at all times and look down from your high horse. Maybe some of us are paying too much attention to too many things at once, so solid advice, I'll try to fix that.
I'll start by blocking you.
My running theory from observing from across the Atlantic is that participating in American politics is mentally destructive. You are confronted by two frankly terrible options, so you either accept you live in an undemocratic country or you have to convince yourself that one of the parties is actually good. No matter what choice you make, it breaks something in you.
Maybe this is what leads to so much cultlike behavior and unquestioned loyalty to one party or the other. And if you're anywhere outside these parties, or you so much as criticize a sitting politician, then you're hated from all sides and accused of being a Russian bot, which is especially disappointing when you're someone who does hold your nose and vote blue, but that's not good enough -- you have to fully toe the line, or else it's perceived as interfering with a campaign, a campaign which never ends.
We're not really a democracy, are we?
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See the thing is for the most part the only people who question the loyalty is Democrats who only choose Democrats because the other choices more terrible and then the Republicans are in questioning because they're filled with hate and propaganda.
Yes, I know you could say the same about Democrats but that's not what studies show. Sorry about your feelings. (Not to the person I'm replying to specifically, but anyone who takes offense)
Literally me, and it's super hard to do this when I have family and loved ones being detained or deported by a system that Democrats uphold, and neighbors suffering from lack of access to healthcare. Imagine seeing and experiencing all this and then being told that voting's not enough -- that we also can't complain about it, lest we be dismissed as "Russian bots" or "Chinese shills." Imagine never seeing certain people again, and then being told that I'm the one who's privileged because I have the audacity to complain about it.
Dad had a heart attack right in front of me. He was complaining about chest pains a few days earlier but didn't want a hospital bill. I've never been the same person since.
I'm so sorry. I can only imagine the pain.
We have the ability to provide access to basic healthcare to our citizens, but we choose not to. And we have very few politicians who support universal healthcare. It's unconscionable.
Yeah and I tell them and I'm using my privilege to protect those without. Exactly what people with privilege are supposed to do.
You nailed it