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Hey yeah after I linked that video I bounced over to the Seder video and watched part of it as well.

I don't think we need to deep dive on this, because you and I agree on the facts, but I'll throw out a perspective.

I don't think correctly criticising a view and "allowing a pass" are mutually exclusive. It needs to be in context, of course. For Zohran, this compromise can be allowed because he is a democratic socialist candidate running for election in an extremely right wing country; anglo socialists should want to see this guy win, imo. I don't think he is pulling anyone to the right with his take, just doing what he can to placate both sides (such is electoralism). I also don't think his statement reflects his genuine personal view, but that barely matters.

If it were a PSL candidate, I would hate to see any sort of "pass" offered, since the context is different. Sam Seder also doesn't get to deliver any sort of take like that because he has nothing at stake. Not to mention the foreign policy views of a mayoral candidate don't really matter at all.

Historically, revolutionary movements have had (and will have) to do much dirtier and uncomfortable things in order to win. In context, I see Zohran pacing the way for Zohran 3.0 to be fully and clearly anti-Zionist, but I think that it is not a stance he can officially adopt in 2025 and expect to win, he's already far to close to being nuked from orbit.

Well I appreciate the conversation you and Mizu offered in the thread here, even if I didn't have a whole lot to contribute myself! Interested to hear your thoughts if you get around to watching it, I respect FD for engaging

I appreciate your thoughts, don't have much to offer from my end. I respect him showing up for the discussion in the link and sort of "taking it on the chin" in their conversation

I think a lot of what he had to say was more relevant toward how one should address the black electorate. Whether it's for Bernie, Zohranz or a revolutionary movement, if you want the support of these people, the white left needs to get it's shit together. I think electoral campaigns are good "practice" for doing so.

Also, I think you'll enjoy Signifier going head to head with someone to his left here: https://youtu.be/SPOYP8LnwOU

Did you watch the video?

It's more a sign that you've been outside. Our community has had a bunch of contra haters (for mostly valid reasons) since before we were on Hexbear. I wish we would sometimes offer other users, especially federated users like you, a bit more grace.

A lot of our community is/were active on Twitter which creates an instinct to "go in for the dunk" at any opportunity available that I've always vocally disliked.

You know why

c/bloomscroll when?

Twitter-brain formatting

Yeah probably something like that

Is there an issue with the quote? Am I misreading?

Could have the bot drop a single comment with links to the various cross posts