mrcleanup

Ah the age old riddle "if a voters pamphlet has a statement on a page no one reads, is it really there?"

The list and statement are on page 26, where they list all the candidates.

Let's assume that you are right and you are worthless right now, there's power in acknowledging that. You don't have to fight through denial, you are ready to change.

I'm not as familiar with Europe, but they must have some sort of social welfare framework. Get plugged in. Explain your frustrations, ask what programs they recommend, then do them. Your plan hasn't worked, maybe theirs will.

Accept help to get a high school diploma. Accept help finding a job. Show that your value is being able to listen to and learn from others, then use what you learn to keep going.

I know you can do this. What resources are out there?

I mean. I feel like if I had a cardboard box I think I could prove that there wasn't a horse in it.

The real problem here is that we can't prove he even looked in the box.

People do have the right not to make intelligent decisions.

Sure, doctors and lawyers have their obligations, but a victim has the right to nope the fuck right out of there to avoid additional mental trauma. It isn't up to you.

In my eyes you forcing them to know just so you can sleep at night makes you one. You might as well make them watch footage and really relive it if you are going to deny their right to decide. After, you said they need the information of what happened to them. You just like your arbitrary line of where to stop. All I suggest is giving the victim that choice, and I'm the monster?

"Please watch the following 15 hours of video we found on your uncle's laptop of you getting raped when you were 12 so you can understand what level of trauma you should be feeling."

Vs.

"We found out some horrible things that happened to you as a child, do you want to know?"

One of these options is kind and also empowers the victim, can you guess which one?

it's not a choice you are entitled to.

Just... Wow.

The true test of being kind is not just empowering others when it makes you feel good, but empowering others when their choice makes you uncomfortable.

Someone absolutely has the right to say "my life has been fucked up enough already, don't tell me, I don't want to know."

The truth is you would take that way from them just so you can feel good about yourself, whether it caused depression, or suicide, or hurt. You would take their choice away because you don't agree with it so you could feel "just" whether it re victimizes them or not.

Look around you, being informed is absolutely a choice. This place is a great example of people choosing pleasant fictions over uncomfortable realities every day.

Just because you think it is an unacceptable choice doesn't mean it isn't one.

Right, so the answer to my earlier question is "yes" in this instance your are anti-choice. Is fine, but own it or we end up going on a big circle to get where we should have been three or four comments ago.

And we could have had a conversation about that, but honestly, I'm just not that invested in the conversation anymore, it's been a long day and I'm out of patience for random strangers who are more interested in being right than communicating.

I'm not talking about law, I'm talking about morality.

"we found out about some bad things that happened to you as a child, do you want us to tell you what we found out?" Is a perfectly valid way to ask for informed consent before doing something to them they may not want.