With Obama they just learned how to take a somewhat progressive candidates and bend them into a moderate. It's the same thing that happened with Kamala, although of course it's hard to say if either were ever really progressive or if they just used that for votes and didn't mind discarding it once they got pressured by the party and consultants.
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How much you wanna bet Musk told some employee to make this change and now they're gonna get shafted for going along with it by other management at xAI? I'm not saying you need to feel bad for the person but this very much feels like they're gonna shift blame away from Elon and on to someone else to cover it up and deny that he wanted this change.
I mean let's assume he does support Hamas (he doesn't, the furthest I've really seen him go is saying their resistance is justified in the face of genocide). But if we assume he does personally like them, should that put you in prison? It's clear they were trying to get him to say something that they could detain him for, which is then pretty understandable why he "wimped out" in that situation. The fact that they were asking him about that to potentially detain him over it is insane and clearly a first amendment violation.
Something something a lot of people falling for talking points put forward by people invested in commercial real estate because if companies start going fully remote the value of commercial real estate will collapse. Combine that with a mix of people who own these companies also being invested in commercial real estate so it's self serving and companies just in general wanting to have more control over employees.
Yeah but there probably aren't any other realistic ways to get change any faster unless you luck out and somehow manage to get a Teddy Roosevelt situation where they made him vice president to appease progressives then the president dies. But I feel like they've learned from that and don't choose anyone who is actually progressive for that anymore, instead just go for someone who can market themselves as progressive but is happy to do whatever the corporate donors and mainstream dem leadership wants.
Then that's yet another reason it should be built from the bottom up. If you win state races and gain power there you can start passing reforms to fix a number of those issues since the way our elections work is basically just a bunch of individual elections organized by the states and following some federal rules. We've already seen some states pass ranked choice voting for local and federal races or changing electoral college votes to be proportional. Building a third party and gaining power from the ground up is realistically the only way election reform will happen and it also has the benefit of helping those third parties be more viable.
Yeah I definitely agree, both Kamala and Obama are candidates that acted progressive in their primaries but as soon as they eventually got the nomination they went towards the corporate Democrat establishment. My main question is whether they were progressive at some point but let themselves be changed by the establishment, consultants, and donors or if they never really cared that much to begin with. The end state is the same but the difference is important as it gives us insight into how much power the consultants and others have over candidates vs if they didn't really care then it wouldn't have taken much to change them.