this helps when you think someone is impersonating another user ala the wtyp or xhs situation, but not in the melina situation where people suspect alt accounts are that of a banned user who doesnt admit it on the alt account
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you said that "melina hadnt posted recently" and then "the fact that hexbears are still posting about her even though she has been banned for a year is very funny" so i took that to mean you thought melina hadnt posted in a year since the ban.
as for why i linked the comment, you are now contradicting yourself, you're now not accepting the evidence of someone saying "i am X and this is my alt" now, which is why i linked that specific comment. ig i dont disagree that it can tend to go in circles - but only because people come out to defend these accounts. my opinion: yeah, it doesnt really matter if they're actually melina or not. however, they're posting like melina, who was fucking banned! either you're a poster who's posting in a manner that's extremely anti-social (because melina was banned), or it's literally just fucking melina. i.e. when someone starts posting like a banned user/wrecker, maybe when someone accuses them of being melina instead of accusing them of being paranoid or whatever the mods should step in and tell people posting in obvious extremely bad faith to stop immediately or be banned. FWIW i dont know how popular what im saying would be, but i dont really care if mods hand out arbitrary bans as long as they're being relatively consistent, which is by far my biggest problem with the mods, they have 0 consistency. why the fuck hasnt this post been removed yet for "metaposting" when other topics/comment threads that involve "metaposting" were, i have no clue.
as for the rest of your post: I kind of get it, but as you say "conjecture" is all we have because of the tools not available to even the admins. however, i'll say this: i think this specific situation is so touchy only because the admins gave melina a ton of leeway which made people really mad. it doesnt help that accounts tend to come in and shit on people who admit they hate melina in a way that imo would get others temp bans
what kind of proof would you even accept? like how do you prove an account is someone's alt, in your eyes?
feels like the logical extension of anti-natalism if you actually consider animals to be on the same level as people.
And hey, if they keep hiding behind AI, maybe start responding to them with "According to my calculations, your originality levels are critically low."
devastating, deepseek is a complete and utter dork
you dont feel any schadenfreude at seeing amerikkkan chauvinists cope at china's rapid advancements? i certainly do
the cope in articles like this (ive also seen it from r*dditors in a couple of threads where someone brought this up) that china is still "struggling" to catch up after "years" of development is quite funny to me. like, yall were saying restricting these AI chips was going to fucking cripple china for potentially decades unless they bent the knee to the US. now you're just saying shit like "NVIDA STILL NUMBAH 1 BABY WE DA BEST IN THE WOOOORLD CHINA STILL HASNT FULLY CAUGHT UP AFTER YEARS LOL LMAO" and it's just like... these export restrictions started in 2022? now, i know china didnt actually start developing their own gpus and such when these export restrictions happened, there's been many years of research and development beforehand of course, but like you can see that there's been explosive growth in this area since these started and you're already having to cope that they've "struggled for years"??? just give it up man you're fucking cooked, maybe if you lift export restrictions you can extend nvida's time as company that makes the most powerful GPUS in the world for some time but at this point i dont think there's actually any stopping companies like Huwaei anymore, stop coping with shit like this and start trying to make real analysis on when the gap that's left will close.
tbh most of the vote biden posting seemed real unfortunately, that shit never really came off like a bit to me with how often they said it
i actually dont think it's totally out of the possiblity that xhs would do something like this. they used to troll the news mega with an account called "simulatedliberalism" on the regular. this account is absolutely not xhs tho (see my comment here https://hexbear.net/comment/6108015)
TLDR: while deltachat isnt literally perfect, it seems to have done a great job balancing privacy and security with ease of use so that normies will find it easy to use it while the truly paranoid can still use it if they put in a little extra effort. it solved the vast majority of problems with encrypted email like slow message speed and meta data leakage with chatmail servers, and has helped develop what seems to me to be a super promising web app format. although i've only been using it a day and a half, ive done a lot of reading and testing on my own so im confident what im saying has a least a little merit, although i'm sure there will be at least a few things that will only become apparent after a few weeks of use. from perusing the forums and their mastodon, the devs seems very competent and engaged as well, so i have faith that issues that pop up will be fixed in a timely manner.
who it is perfect for: people trying to get their family/friends off of something like whats app, anyone who wants a privacy-focused instant messenger that just works.
who it will work for with some tweaks: someone who needs the strongest security measures like a journalist or anyone fearing repression
who it will probably not work well for (yet): someone trying to run public groups like telegram or a gaming app like discord. you can make public groups but they're janky.
warning: this post is extremely long, which is why it's split into spoilers.
I'm extremely impressed with it.
I've been using it since yesterday and it was super easy to set up, for comparison i've tried setting up a matrix account for my mom and she got really confused and frustrated and quit after 10 minutes, i had this up and running in like 2 minutes max. seemed very private, there was no way to even enter another email for recovery or to enter your phone number (and i think with how little information a chatmail server stores it's not even possible), you dont have to enter your real name, and the "email" you get on the "chatmail" server is just a bunch of random letters no matter what you enter for your name.
from the reading i've done, it seems extremely safe and private for being based off of email because of these new "chatmail" servers they've developed that function less as a traditional email server that stores and serves emails and more as like a relay server in a p2p system (probably way over simplifying i will link some articles and mastodon tweets in the comments that explain stuff). i do know with the use of chatmail servers one of the biggest problems with encrypted email, that metadata is either impossible/nearly impossible to hide, is fixed when using one of these chatmail servers.
I also felt comfortable using my full name on the original profile i set up for family and friends, because the only way to see that information is if you exchange encryption keys, so if you dont join groups with random people it is nearly impossible for anyone to get access to that information, at least compared to more traditional instant messengers i believe.
however, an interesting thing to me is that it's possible to use your own standard email server or a 3rd party one, although it doesnt work on some and some of the ones that do need extra set up. Still, if you're technically inclined and need/want to use a standard email server the option is there!
setting up additional profiles and switching between them is super easy. finally, it has been an absolute dream getting it set up on multiple devices in comparison to something like matrix. finally, because of how adding a 2nd device works (you need the QR code or link from a client already logged into the account in order to add another device to an account) it essentially works as a 2fa that keeps normies who refuse to set up 2fa in other ways safe.
what im most impressed with though is this new web app format (webxdc) they helped develop.
the available ones work really well even on IOS and they already have many useful apps. i went shopping for my mom today and she was able to live update the list with something i had forgotten. im sure this was already possible with some external app, but being able to do it so easily inside of the messenger itself was really cool imho. there's a scheduling app that im hoping i can get my friends that i play pathfinder with to use if i can wrangle them into using this. you can even share a TOTP app inside the group chat for something like our shared email!!! there's also already like 20+ games, although most of them are pretty shit and/or copied from somewhere else. there's a couple of gems in there tho, including a wordle clone. I have an iphone (but im sure this works similarly on android) and it's awesome that i can easily put the web apps on my homepage using the widget feature.
as for cons i've noticed:
it's not forward secret by default (more on that later). for non tech inclined it means that it is technically possible for someone to collect all of your encrypted messages and then store them indefinitely waiting for the chance to seize your device(s) to get your encryption key, and then they would be able to read all of the messages they had saved prior.
I believe they havent "future proofed" with quantum resistant encryption yet (dont quote me on this)
it's also not well set up to handle voice/video calls by default, you need to go into experimental settings and it just opens up a jitsi meet meeting, so although that still works i can see normies freaking out when you tell them to go into "experimental" settings.
there's a few UI/client specific issues, like being unable to pin messages inside of chats (or at least i havent figured out how to), and i cant change the notification sound on iphone which sucks cause i think the default notification sound on iphone is really hard to hear sometimes. only been using it a day like i said so im sure there's a couple of other things i would find to nitpick in the next few days/weeks.
a couple of other things i know are lacking: there's no easy way to make public groups like in telegram, which leads into the next problem which is that there's literally 0 moderation, when you make a group you all equally share power and can remove each other and even delete the whole group chat unilaterally.
there's not a stable in-browser client yet i believe
like i said it doesnt seem possible to add a recovery email or phone number based off of how chatmail servers work, so if you lose access to all the devices that are logged into your profile(s) you are shit out of luck and will never be able to access that account again.
in the rare situation that you cant get 2 devices to be on the same wifi network (idk, like you left your phone somewhere and you got a family member to send a screenshot of the qr code to log in, that would not work.
caveat to the cons
i do know the maintainers have said if they can they will look into ways to add forward secrecy if open pgp changes to the point where that's feasible, or something like that. i will say this tho: i quite like how it is right now. like i said earlier, it's been very easy to get deltachat set up on multiple devices and profiles, and i think part of that is because there's no forward secrecy. seriously if you've never used matrix the amount of messages that get turned into "unable to decrypt this message" is utterly maddening, and often times the reason is extremely arcane to me as someone who isnt really a tech guy but is still more involved than a normie if that makes sense lol. i also think if the cops/feds are doing such heavy surveillance on me that they're saving my encrypted messages for months on end and trying to set up a raid while i have my devices unlocked, me and most everyone i've talked to is already fucked anyways.
however, there is currently a way to easily achieve forward secrecy on delta chat, and that is through the web apps. there's a setting that enables real time web apps to function and if you have that turned on and are using the p2p chatting app that is already available it easily and immediately sets up an encrypted real time p2p connection between anyone in a chat that has the same app open. i do think this leaks your IP to the other participants though, so a vpn is needed. i believe there are plans to have an option to have a relay server disguise your IP, although that just shifts to you needing to trust whoever is running the relay server. regardless, i think this serves the perfect balance for providing just below perfect protection with the benefit of being super easy for normies to use while maintaining the option for paranoid people to strive for the strongest possible technical protection possible. i also think you shouldnt write anything online that you wouldnt want read out in front of you in court but i digress.
as i said dont think they have quantum safe encyrption yet, but considering its maintained by a very small team is pretty forgivable. i'm sure when quantum computers seem much closer to viability this will be added at highest priority.
as for voice and video: i know the arcanechat dev (android client of deltachat) @[email protected] has said that integrating arcanechat with the android default phone app is currently planned, and if he is to be believed most things he adds to arcanechat should eventually get added to the first party deltachat apps. there's also huge potential with the web apps, they're barely a year out from "official" release (not sure how long total development time was) and there's already been a a working prototype for a web app that does voice video, although i think that is super low priority since the 3rd party links are "good enough". again im not exactly a computer toucher (computer admirer is a better term, probably lol) so im not sure what techincal limitations there are for using a p2p web app for this kind of thing.
client nitpicks: if more people started using this service so that more devs pay attention to it, the faster these issues would be fixed. same goes for the browser client, although since there's a good client for windows, macos, and linux desktop it shouldnt be a big deal. for my current usecase i dont really need moderation stuff, and dont really want access to public channels. im not sure if/when there are plans to add chat rooms with different levels of access/powers, but i do know there was some talk of setting up a bot that will list public groups eventually?
finally: you can make manual backups of your encryption keys, so if you're worried about disaster scenarios you just need to make sure to keep up with that. i think this is also how you would get a family member to send you your login information but im not sure.
This got really long my bad lol (it's just under 1600 words not even including my final thoughts...), hopefully splitting it into spoilers helps. Why did I write this monstrosity? ~~i was paid~~ i just think it's a really cool service that deserves a lot more attention than it currently has and i want people to check it out so i wrote everything down i could think of both positive and negative ( i also have adhd 
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To try and keep the post body just a tiny bit more reasonable, Final thoughts and links to articles/mastodon tweets are in this comment here
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i wish i was paid tbh, wtf did i just do for the last 4+ hours...
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same!