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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 days ago

Looking at the polling, Biden was on track to lose worse than Harris did. So, no, he would not have beaten Trump.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

This was just one of his pranks he's famous for.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

He should have won. He's smarter, more well spoken, has a better moral compass, a better track record on legislation, better health, better administration.

The comments here show pure distain for Biden and I don't understand why. He was better in every single regard and yet the people who claim to support that constantly spit on him at every opportunity. People who act like that way helped trump to victory. You would never see a republican act that way towards trump.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Your mistake is thinking this was a binary choice. The reality is that both Trump and Biden were competing to convince people to come out and vote. Not to vote for them but just to vote. Nearly everyone would already know if they'd vote Democrat or Republican, the only question was whether they were going to vote at all. Unfortunately Republican and Democrat voters require different motivations.

For Republicans all they need is a target. Someone to be angry at and blame all their problems on. Trump gives them that in spades. They just want someone to tell them it's someone else's fault their life is shit but that they've got a plan to fix it by making someone else suffer. Trump was only too happy to do exactly that.

Democrats meanwhile want to hear exactly how a candidate is planning on fixing problems. Usually not just any problems either, but specifically the problems they care about most. That could be global warming, racism, the wealth gap, workers rights, gun violence, the genocide in Palestine, the housing market, or something else entirely. That is what motivates them to show up to the polls. Biden (and then Harris) largely failed to do that. Instead he put forward plans that either inched towards solving those problems at a snails pace, or like in the case of Palestine outright ignored the problem.

So yes, Biden is objectively a better president than Trump in every metric except for one. The one that actually mattered. The ability to convince people to get off their asses and head to the polls. Honestly at this point the problem isn't even Biden or even Harris, it's the entire DNC and their milquetoast platform.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

more well spoken

Senile on public display including the debate

has a better moral compass,

Which includes full send genocide and ignoring constituents who opposed this, including within his own administration.

They only switched to Kamala for the PACs that refused to give lobbying funds because even they knew Biden would easily lose.

Of course PAC money is no match for actual votes, so after Kamala got her campaign paycheck and told the uncommitted movement to get bent, she inevitably lost.

Yes even in the flawed democracy of the USA, constituents ultimately decide who wins. They didn't even bother lying or pandering to voting blocs for support. They straight up banned them from the main DNC rally and refused to meet their demands.

This is such a no brainer. Trump tries his best not to alienate his voter base which is why his policy is hot trash garbage all over the place, but he actually did the bargain basement job of a politician which is to promise changes for your vote, regardless of whether or not he actually fulfills them.

Biden and Kamala were both content in dropping millions of democratic voter demands and willingly losing to Trump to defend a POS ethnostate across the Atlantic.

Of course they lost every single swing state.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Have you listened to trump speak? He cannot string together a single coherent sentence. The guy is a moron. The Senile talking point was manufactured by the right and parroted by people like you. Notice how it completely disappeared when it was trump vs harris.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 days ago (15 children)

This section is so insane. Its shows how well republicans are able to completely rewrite history through propaganda. Biden stuttered a few times in a 1hr+ debate and answered every question intelligently but he fucked up his words on one question. Trump couldnt answer a single question and proved he had no idea what a tariff was or how tax works. But Trump got a single favourable soundbite so I guess he dominated???

After his disastrous performance in his single debate against Trump, during which the president struggled to form coherent answers to questions and seemed utterly lost in the setting, public confidence in his ability to pull off an electoral victory imploded.

You can't keep letting the right get away with narrative shifting like this. Even if Trump had done nothing the right would be online posting that he had the greatest performance of all time. Support your damn candidate if you want to win.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I watched the debate and your take is so far from reality it's a joke.

We watched a senile old man say he killed medicare. These were not stutters or missteps. This was serious mental decline on exhibit for over an hour.

As much as I dislike Trump, Biden is simply unfit mentally, right now this moment end of story.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago

I watched Biden answer question after question giving a policy example of what his party had done on that issue and acknowledge that even though there was more work to be done he was working on doing it then he would give the policy example that he was working on.

I then watched trump ignore every single question ramble about immigrants eating dogs, make up hyperbolic statements he thought might sound good to his audience. In the context of the discussion he made no sense.

You can point to that one question but you need to remember Biden answered the question intelligently and the stutter you are talking about was 10seconds in an hour long debate.

Please read just a tiny bit of this and tell me you still stand behind your comment. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-rush-transcript/index.html

For my sanity.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (6 children)

During the debate Biden looked like the resident of an old folks home who walked down the wrong hallway and can't find his way back to the common room.

Everyone who watched the debate saw that. It was a DISASTER for him.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I literally called it the night of the debate that they were going to overreact to him being sick, and not even talk about the multiple lies that Trump told. Sure enough within a week, he was stepping down.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

He needs to fuck off and die.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He is ruining his legacy and needs to shut up. He fucked up many times, no need to add to the pile now.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Trump is his legacy. It can’t be ruined. It is ruin.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

yeah yeah, perfect is the enemy of imperfect

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, it just would have made Trump's victory even more sad and pathetic. The goose is cooked, Out of Americans who care to get off their ass and vote, there are more Jingoistic Ultranationalists than there are not. Trump's victory was assured if the competition was Kamala or Biden.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think this is true. A lot of the people who voted for Trump in the election are simply disillusioned with the status quo, and rightly so. They don't know enough to know which changes would help, but when only one side promised change, they went with that side.

Trump's victory was assured not by an overwhelming amount of fascist voters, but by an overwhelming amount of unhappy voters combined with Democrats' utter failure to challenge the system that made them unhappy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah I'm sorry no. If you voted for Trump for the reasons you state (or even decided to not not vote), then that's on you. Stop trying to blame Democrats. Be an adult and take responsibility for your actions.

You have to be extremely stupid to vote for Trump for the reasons you mention. Everything was easily available, there was no reason not to understand why it's idiotic, unless you're ignorant.

You specifically talk about some really fucking stupid "reasoning" for voting for Trump, and then immediately absolve the idiots who made their choice based on that reasoning. No. Just... No.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I voted for democrats, because I know better, but it's a fact that there are a lot of people who don't pay as much attention to politics as I do. Ultimately, most of the people who voted for Trump are not perpetrators, they are victims. Of course I wish they were less ignorant, but I also don't personally blame them, because I'm not into victim-blaming. The blame should be assigned to the perpetrators, the rich and powerful. Democrat leadership very much included.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Not unles we had another pandemic he wouldn't have. Covid won him the election.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Elderly narcissist continues to be narcissistic.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 days ago (2 children)

“When Trump was running again for reelection, I really thought I had the best chance of beating him,” Biden said of his decision to run in 2020. “But I also wasn’t looking to be president when I was 85 years old, 86 years old. And so I did talk about passing the baton.”

So then why the fuck didn't you let a proper primary happen grandpa!? Why didn't you step the fuck down sooner!?

(Insert goose chasing meme here)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In a world where we could have stopped doing the fascists' work for them by calling him old and senile and attacking him at every step? Yeah. I think he would have. Americans like old white guys who enable genocide. Americans hate women. Especially brown women.

That said? I also think we needed the "We have a better choice" of Kamala and the real problem is just that people don't fucking care enough to vote.

So for all my many many many many problems with how the Democrats have handled the election and the fallout of it... I'll give a mulligan on this.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Just FYI, he didn't say it unprompted but was literally asked if he thought he would:

“It’s presumptuous to say that, but I think yes,” Biden said when asked if he believes he could have won the November election. The president based his assertion on his review of election polling. He conceded, however, that larger questions remained about his ability to complete another four year term.

“When Trump was running again for reelection, I really thought I had the best chance of beating him,” Biden said of his decision to run in 2020. “But I also wasn’t looking to be president when I was 85 years old, 86 years old. And so I did talk about passing the baton.”

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The phrase "could have won" carrying a lot of water there. Yes, in theory a golden retriever could have won (and, in my opinion, should have won) against Trump. But a lot of stars were going to have to align given July/August polling and Biden's public image.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's literally no rule that says a dog can't be president!

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sure grandpa, let's get you to bed.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago

Lmao exactly what I thought when opening this thread

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 days ago

Not after that first debate you wouldn’t have

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