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Tesla replaced many laid-off U.S. workers with foreign H-1B visa holders after a 2024 wave of layoffs affecting 15,000 employees.

These visas, tied to employer sponsorship, often lower compensation and give employers significant leverage over workers.

Critics argue this displaces U.S. employees, as senior engineers were replaced by lower-paid junior engineers.

CEO Elon Musk, while advocating for expanding H-1B visa caps, faces backlash, especially from conservatives, for “job-stealing” concerns.

Musk contends there’s a U.S. skill shortage, but critics highlight potential exploitation tied to Tesla’s demanding work culture and visa dependence.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The continued disempowerment of American unions and American worker solidarity over many decades ultimately culminates with this overt power grab by American Capitalists. Others here have rightly pointed out that these foreign workers are fleeing their own capitalistic nightmares (oftentimes imposed on them long ago by an imperialistic western hegemony), and thusly are not truly to blame for wanting to come to America with the prospect of making a better life for themselves and their loved ones.

Even if some of them might be aware that their coming here and taking jobs for lower wages has a negative impact on domestic labor, their impetus remains the same: escape poverty, keep your head down, fulfill your employer mandated duties, and survive.

Let's not miss the forest for the trees here. As George Carlin put it, American coorporate business owners want only one thing from their workers: obedience.

"Well we know what they want. They want OBEDIENT WORKERS! OBEDIENT WORKERS! Just smart enough to run all the machines, and do all the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs..."

The long term model for Capitalists across the globe has been to cripple the rights of workers over multiple generations if necessary.

This is because they think we deserve nothing. The fact that they provide us the means to survive is something they feel we should be grateful for. But for us to ask, nay demand, to survive with dignity? That is blasphemy to them.

In regards to dignity, they see that as little more than a business transaction. How much profit did you make them last quarter is directly equivalent to the amount of dignity they will afford you, as long as you also bend the knee and kiss the ring every day.

They look to places like China or India with their terrible working conditions and worker compliance and salivate at a future where American labor is no different. They look to those same places and lust after the crushing of political dissent and resistance movements that exist there.

This is the model they are now bringing to the people of America. And they know many of us won't stand for it, but ultimately resistance movements are not preventative, but rather palliative, giving them the advantage of the aggressor. I've always said and truly believed, "Americans will never bend the knee for a King. Never."

But obviously I was wrong, and naive. Trump is forming his monarchy. America was born out of hatred for monarchs. Yet through our own vile prejudices, hatreds, and other weaknesses, we have plagued the world over with our ideologies through war, imperialism, colonialism. I know a true nightmare is manifesting here now. All that is left for us now is to go to our respective hills, and die on them.

EDIT: wording.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Google has been doing the same. Hell, I reckon most big corps have

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Only this time, it's real!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"They" being some duplicitous Capitalist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why the need to specify "duplicitous"?

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 months ago (7 children)

H1B is just corporations trying to drive down tech wages. Things is, the "skilled workers" they get from other countries are often unskilled who just learn as best they can on the job. I deal with one of the big companies that supplies these workers and the vast majority of their personnel are "bodies." You may have 1-2 fairly skilled people leading the team while the rest are folks who can follow a script if it's written well enough... Zero critical thinking or depth of knowledge.

While the short term may seem beneficial on paper, you get what you pay for. You can't fake your way without longer term problems showing up.

It's also another form of job exporting like the manufacturing jobs that corporations got rid of, and we know what that did to the US.

I'm good with a massive reduction on H1B.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

They want workers who can't jumo to another company. If an H1B worker quits, they get deported.

It's about indentured servitude.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Isn’t this supposed to be illegal? Used to be before you could hire someone on such a visa you had to prove that there was no US employee/candidate who can do that job role. Did that change? Or we’re just letting this guy openly break the law on a massive scale?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

So what? He has presidential immunity.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

Employing undocumented immigrants is supposed to be illegal too but there they were at Mar-a-largo.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That is definitely a rule that

  • a job must be advertised and,
  • DOL certification attached to every H1B application stating that
    • the foreign worker is needed to be hired due to unavailability of domestic workers
    • the minimum salary at which that job will be filled.

Additionally, when filing PERM, employers are required to prioritize domestic workers for 6 months after layoffs for the same role. Reference

But this guy is notorious for finding loopholes and sucking off any dick/teet to skirt the law so here we are.

This is not unique to Tesla either. With the job market tightening over the last 2-3 years, tech companies have been laying off experienced, higher paid workers (especially who were hired at highly competitive salaries during early pandemic) to replace them with new lower paid ones for the same role.

The article misrepresents this as a domestic vs foreign workers issue instead of calling out the employer for lying about role responsibilities and exploiting junior employees for doing the same work as was expected from senior employees in the past.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

List jobs for pay so low no one will take it, or make standards impossible to meet, i.e. you need 5 years experience of this program that has only existed for 3. See no one in US qualifies gotta go overseas

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Employers list the job at such low pay that nobody in the US applies.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago

Rich people are above the law. It just doesn’t count. They make laws that have loopholes and hundreds of lawyers to make sure nothing comes of it.

Are you sick? Me too. Will we ever do something? Probably not.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It feels like exploitation because it is

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

And yet we are fine with it

[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I have been involved in 2 layoffs. The work did not disappear. The first time, I trained the imported / overseas staff who replaced us, and the 2nd time, I was retained to manage the contract. They did subpar work for pennies on the dollar. Everyone suffered, and nothing improved other than labor costs.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I seriously don't understand why, after over 20 years of shoddy outsourcing, anyone would ever greenlight this shit?

I mean, even from a shareholder's perspective, unless I want to sell my stocks within the next year or so, I should oppose these stunts. And since most stocks are owned by institutional investors, that are kind of interested in long term growth, this should be a no brainer.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

unless I want to sell my stocks within the next year or so

Favoring short-term gains over long-term value is exactly why this happens. Labor is often one of the largest cost centers in business, so shaving 10% off could potentially save millions in the short-term. Who cares if those gains eventually get offset or even eclipsed by losses in efficiency or innovation? I can just dump the stock/short it and leave someone else holding the bag.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Insert "First Time?" JPEG here

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Did you see it coming when you trained them or did it catch you off guard?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We were given 6 months pay to do 2 weeks of work

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Expanding the program is fine, but raise the fees. A lot. If there is a real talent shortage, companies should be willing to pay it right? /s

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Instead of choosing randomly, make companies bid with the salary offers and grant visa to the highest ones. I think that would solve a lot of problems with it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

My first job straight out of college in the late 90s, I was making 35k a year (tech industry.) my boss was from France, H1B, making 30K, obvious reason is obvious.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

A company that lays off workers should be banned from hiring H1B workers for 10 years.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Shit, I'd take something even simpler, even a 1 year moratorium after a layoff.

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