Slander? No. Playing politics? Yes.
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He hasn't been NY Governor for 15 fucking years. I haven't heard a peep from him since. Now all of a sudden he's issuing press releases using his old title?
The GOP must love seeing the Democrats doing the work of destroying the Democrats for them.
And you feel voting changes anything.
Perfect. Given how unpopular the Democratic party is at the moment, this must have positive effect for Mamdani.
People when they're interested in building something good together: I think your solution may cause problems down the line due to XYZ. See my alternative implementation here. My main worry is technical debt when we need to update ABC to the new standards. Here's a list of references and further alternatives. Thoughts?
People who make it far in politics: I thank you for your work but I'm not sure if it's what we need. We should try looking at other solutions. Your points are all valid and your implementation seems fine but it just doesn't seem like a good fit. I think we should get more opinions. I just don't like this idea.
The Democratic establishment are almost as bad as Republicans are at this point. He beat his competition in the primary, so that's what voters want. I don't understand why they are debasing themselves like this, it's humiliatingly shameful.
Ah yes the ol' tried and true gun control "now isn't the right time" argument. Cool cool.
Democrats now openly slander Mamdani
Ffs. That’s not the case.
Slander: the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
If you think someone saying “he doesn’t have a plan” is slander, you might want to stay the hell away from politics.
This wasn’t FPTP, it’s NYC and yes there’s a Jewish component to the race, and yeah he’s young and inexperienced. All of those are valid, legitimate concerns regarding a political election.
Unfortunately for them, the primary is over and they already lost. So no, they don’t have to blindly believe Mamdani is going to win in a lanslide, but they should at least act like it. I think we’re looking at a mayoral race through a presidential-election lens.
Slander though? No.
Also it would be libel, not slander anyways.
Saying he is not a fitting candidate is not slander?
Saying he is not a fitting candidate is not slander?
No. It is not.
It’s rude, it’s dismissive, it’s a bunch of things that also aren’t crimes and your desperation to show Democrats as the Worst Things Evar is showing.
Here, post an article from the Democrats supporting him and don’t forget to mention they’re democrats. Yeah, don’t worry no one will expect you to even consider it.
This is libel rather than slander, since it is written and not verbal. But even then, it's not libel either. To be libel (or slander) against a public figure, it has to be factually untrue and Patterson would have to either know that it was untrue or act with disregard for the truth. He's allowed to state his opinion - which he clearly stated as his opinion - that Mamdani isn't a good fit for the position. We can think that Patterson is wrong about that, but he's only wrong (and, in my opinion, strategically foolish), not libellous
Okay great definition. Now read the Governors statement again.
Is a primary not "Democrats ... [coming] together and [deciding] to support whichever candidate has the most support among them?"
What an incredible piece of shit. Fuck that guy with a cactus.
Do I have to? Ugh. Fine! You gotta bring the cactus tho 😩
More divide-the-left noise from geneva_convenience
geneva_convenience made David Paterson write a letter that is trying to divide the left?
Not geneva_convenience fault that the left decided to divide themselves and refuse possitive changes to the democratic party
He's wrong, but I don't think it's slander. How great the risk is debatable, but it's fair to worry that Mamdani may lose the D's some centrist and (although it can't be said out loud) Jewish votes and, consequently, the election. Which would be disastrous. AIPAC certainly is not going to be dumping money into Mamdani's campaign, and if they instead chose to spend it on the Republican candidate, it could sway the general election.
However, I think Trump proved that extremists can win, so while it's a reasonably concern, evidence suggests it's unfounded. Personally, the possibility that AIPAC could focus efforts on defeating Mamdani as he represents a crack in the political wall of unwavering support for Israel is a far greater concern, because money wins elections.
Although a disagree with the characterization that this constitutes slander, I do think it's the wrong approach. Having won the primary, if Democrats want to win this thing they have to solidify behind the nominated candidate. Being divisive will only help them lose the general.
Saying that the primary winner is not fit to be mayor is straight up slander.
To ease the worries of the Jewish voter base not selecting him:
... [Mamdani] excelled in the city with the largest Jewish population outside of Israel, and with the support of many Jewish voters.
AIPAC does not speak for all Jews.
AIPAC does not speak for all Jews.
But they speak to the office holders and DNC. Israel is much more important than US and it's citizen.
AIPAC does not speak for all Jews.
Quick someone tell the entire global media!
They've spent more time and effort going after Mamdani than they did trying to stop the "Big Beautiful Bill."
Well yeah, easier to fundraise this way.
Hey, don't be disingenuous, they got the name changed in the senate and Booker stood tall with his little-league baseball bat! You can't expect perfection!
le sigh
/S because this is the world we live in...
this shills put a lot more effort fighting for trump and oligarchs than against them.
hopefully mamdani is the beginning of trend of booting out superpac pimps from dnc. these parasites have grifted enough with lesser evil excuse. no more compromise, dnc either becomes a democratic party or the progressives should form a new party.
I would say forming a new party is probably the best move, but ultimately getting another party that isn't red, blue, or yellow (sorta) on every ballot in the country is incredibly difficult, as in the laws are specifically designed to discourage it from happening. The Green Party, for example, only appeared on 37 of the 51 state ballots (DC Included.)
It's actually kinda insane that our national election doesn't have a nationally standardized ballot.
We cannot aford ideas without a plan for implementation or funding.
From Zohran's site:
Taxes on big corporations and the wealthiest New Yorkers
Zohran has a plan to bring down the cost-of-living through city-owned grocery stores, universal childcare, and other bold proposals, and he knows exactly how to pay for it, too. Zohran’s revenue plan will raise the corporate tax rate to match New Jersey’s 11.5%, bringing in $5 billion. And he will tax the wealthiest 1% of New Yorkers—those earning above $1 million annually—a flat 2% tax (right now city income tax rates are essentially the same whether you make $50,000 or $50 million). Zohran will also implement common-sense procurement reform, end senseless no-bid contracts, hire more tax auditors, and crack down on fine collection from corrupt landlords to raise an additional $1 billion.
Shhhh, their corporate doners are trying to push propaganda through them! Stop defending a candidate who is not at all sympathetic towards the upper class!
There’s some unspoken words there:
We cannot aford ideas without a plan for implementation or funding.
“…that must not impact our wealthy donors.”
What does AOC or Bernie think about him? I bet they love him. I haven't heard anything from Biden or Obama, did they say anything bad about him?
Sanders and AOC both enforced him, doesn't sound like Obama has said anything, and I think Biden might be a little preoccupied atm.
But Bill Clinton congratulated him, so there's that...