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Summary

Germany accused Elon Musk of trying to influence its February 2024 election by endorsing the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) through social media posts and a commentary in Welt am Sonntag.

Musk praised the AfD’s positions on regulation and taxes, calling them Germany’s saviors.

His actions sparked backlash, with opposition leader Friedrich Merz calling it unprecedented interference and SPD leader Saskia Esken vowing to resist influence from wealthy elites.

The Welt editor who published Musk’s piece resigned, while the AfD, polling second, remains shunned by mainstream parties.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Please Elon, come over and discuss election campaign strategys with us in this secluded hut in the woods, far away from the prying eyes of the public

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Perhaps he can visit Germany, and the Germans are better marksman 🎯

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As recently as 5 years ago I was convinced that at the end of the day this guy does more good than bad for the human race. But he is really, really putting an effort into tipping the scales, isn't he?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I was certain he was a net negative when he called that diver pedo for mocking his unserious marketing pitch for a rescue submarine. That was the point I realized he was just a pile of cash with an ego.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Go Israeli on him

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Slowly feels more and more like Cyberpunk 2077.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just like he did in the US election. I hope Germany has better safeguards than we did.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Safeguards: Harder to bribe any one single politician due to the sheer chaos that is their parliament. Either everyone gets a bribe or no one does.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

sheer chaos

Because there's more than two parties...? I don't know if I necessarily disagree (because, you know, politics haha am i right) but the wording is curious.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

kinda yeah -- I'd argue that people rarely vote "tactfully" in Germany (vote for purple otherwise yellow will win), so if one party is rampant with corruption and the media reports it, then people can happily vote for another party.

Or the party itself can split off into something else, as what with happened with the BSW being an interesting faction centred around one woman (though I've heard she is quite progressive).

Contrast that all with the UK. The only true left-wing leader we had was Jeremy Corbyn and his own party (Labour) cannibalized him. Due to our FPTP voting system, the left still had to vote for Labour or let the Tories win.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I mean, right now people are desperate to prevent the AfD so many of us are indeed considering which of the larger parties to vote for, just for that purpose alone. So we do have that sort of phenomenon but to a lesser extent.

Calling it "chaos", like it's a bad thing that change in the landscape is easier than elsewhere, is still curious lol.

I’ve heard she is quite progressive

She considers herself leftist but that's all it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You said you meant it. I wanted to be sure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Gif: Queen Victoria, of Doctor Who fame, is "not amused".

Tap for spoiler(I am very amused)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Chaos

I meant it in a good sense. In the Chaos Computer Club sense.

considers herself leftist

I've heard she's got some good anti-corruption policies, but that's all I know. I do find it weird that there's a whole party centred around one person.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Chaos Computer Club

Got it lol

Not every opinion Wagenknecht has voiced in the past has been bad but in general, imho, she and her people just like being against whatever the government does (they do have that in common with the AfD). Also she longs for the good old GDR days so there's that.

I do find it weird that there’s a whole party centred around one person.

Yes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Boy, I bet that Welt editor felt great paying for airing Elon's grievances with her job. FAFO, you useful idiot.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It read more to me as if she resigned in protest

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I'm thinking they edited the article, because it read differently earlier. The way it's worded now makes me agree with you.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So arrest him or shut up and take it like we Americans do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

or fucking drop a bomb on him, Germany. The EU should see him as a threat to democracy and a russian asset.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I'm looking forward to watching Fallout season 2, I don't wanna live through Fallout.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

As much as I'd love to see this happen: For which legal reason?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

The EU has strict content moderation laws that Twitter currently violates, which Elon explicitly ignores. The EU could take actions based on the same principles that Brazil did.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dunno about legalese, but maybe along the lines of election interference?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I doubt it's election interference when he simply posts his opinion online, if that were to get censored, as much as I'd like to censor Musk, I'd be deeply worried about what else could be censored (especially when the AfD is in power)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Afaiu the AfD are considered Nazis, which just haven't been banned yet.
While I do have issues with censorship I see necessary limits of freedom of speech and applying that to Nazis and their allies is very much within these limits in my opinion.
Inhumanity deserves no forum nor freedom of speech.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm not fully familiar with the AfD but if they were Nazis they'd already be illegal (being a Nazi is illegal in Germany and a few other countries). From what I know they're just your usual far-right populist pro-russian anti-eu party, which sadly isn't enough to stop them legally.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

The due process to ban the AfD was already started, but won't conclude before the election

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They are Nazis, plain and simple. Unfortunately, it's not quite that easy banning an entire political party, even if they're considered actively hostile towards the constitution. Well. I say "unfortunately" but it should of course be difficult. Democracy isn't easy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So maybe not the whole of AfD can be called Nazi, but at least one of their leaders according to https://www-hessenschau-de.translate.goog/politik/demonstranten-duerfen-afd-politiker-bjoern-hoecke-als-nazi-bezeichnen-v1,ermittlungen-hoecke-ist-ein-nazi-eingesellt-100.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=de&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp:

The Frankfurt public prosecutor's office has dropped proceedings against a demonstrator who called Björn Höcke a "Nazi" during anti-AfD protests. This was not a criminal insult, but a "value judgment based on facts," according to the investigators.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

maybe not the whole of AfD can be called Nazi,

And as we all know, if there are 9 people and 1 Nazi sitting together at a table, then there are 10 Nazis sitting together at that table.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if he’ll throw lotteries there too

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Nah, this is not allowed in working democracies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago
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