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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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So.... How long have we been here? Its been dead on Risa for months (lemmy.zip)

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (21 children)

Am I being deprived of Stamets' memes because of some thin-skinned power-tripping douche mod?

Time for a new instance. Any recommendations for a stable instance that federates with everyone (except for the worst, of course)?

Edit: If anyone is confused, I meant to reply to this comment that links to Stamets' recent rundown on the whole kerfuffle.

Edit 2: I just learned something I'd like to share with anyone else that needs to know. If a user (Stamets, for example) is banned on your instance (startrek.website, for example) even here, a community on lemmy.world, you can't see his posts. Not only that, but if he comments you can't see any replies to his comment. There are a lot of comments in this thread startrek.website users can't see.

If you don't want overzealous admins curating your experience on other instances, you might want to find a new instance.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Any instance that is over a year old and medium sized should be fine.

My instance is Lemmy.zip but there are many more.

https://lemmyverse.net/

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Come sail the high seas, matey

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[+] [email protected] -10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Keep it civil. Disagreements will happen both on lore and preferences. That's okay! Just don't let it make you forget that the person you are talking to is also a person.

I find this ironic with Stamets as ~~an admin~~ a moderator, considering they participated in a dogpile on Risa because I made a joke that they didn't like and was completely harmless:

They deleted the comment because of the obvious toxicity, but considering the weight they pull in these communities and they were the first to comment, it's clear they had started the toxic dog piling. No apology, no trying to get others to tone it down. Just deleted their comment to hide their shame.

How can we trust the ~~admins~~ moderators here won't do the same as what happened in Risa?

*edited for formatting and admin -> moderator

Edit 2: In this comment thread you will see exactly why you should all question Stamet's ability to follow their own rules of their community and fail to be an example of how a community moderator should act. They clearly forgot they were talking to a person and intentionally inserted their own interpretations on my own words. Rather than fully owning up to their own actions, they try to downplay it with excuses and even double down on their toxic comments which they claim to be "sorry" and apologize.

It seems like I might need to screenshot this thread as well, before they delete it and try to pretend it never happened.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can't. That's part of the reason I try really hard to avoid Lemmy.world

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, actually you can. The admins of lemmy.world are far more responsive to actual criticism and will deal with abusive moderators. There have been more than one that has been removed due to their actions. The admins of Startrek.website didn't care at all and listened to zero criticism or feedback.

TenForward was also created because of the moderators not the admins, a very large distinction that needs to be made. When TenForward was initially created, we were on perfectly good terms with the admins, even if we didn't agree with them. At no point in the creation of this community were the admins a consideration.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, we could've done much worse for admins. Lemmy.world is pretty good right now but I'm concerned about the centralization of power and the single point of failure. I would've preferred a medium sized instance but you can't win it all I suppose.

Maybe at some point the community can create a different community on a medium sized instance. I'm just concerned about potentially controversial decisions being made that have a huge impact on the community.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m just concerned about potentially controversial decisions being made that have a huge impact on the community.

TenForward is proof that with Lemmy the concern shouldn't be so severe. Risa is enormous and was for a while. But now it is effectively dead with no one posting on it. Why? Because controversial decisions of the community caused the community to go to another instance and set things up there instead.

I wouldn't worry too much. Star Trek is pretty aggressively about hope and freedom. Even if I were to become the most Romulan bastard around, it wouldn't change the community. They'd all leave and set up on another instance and should rightfully do so.

Fediverse be awesome, yo.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

First off, I'm a mod. Not an Admin.

Second, that comment was made 4 months ago (The comment even says [email protected], an account that's been deleted for nearly two months) and deleted almost immediately after posting because I felt like a dick. You even say as much because of the 'obvious toxicity'. This is true. I was trying to be a better person so I deleted it. Also, no. I didn't "start the toxic dogpiling". This is even proven by the comment directly under mine in that screenshot which is someone else calling you out. You also didn't make the post. You had commented on my post.

If you want an apology, all you ever had to do was ask. Something you have never done. I never offered one up because I didn't realize the app you are using kept deleted messages. I felt like a dick and deleted it. I never even realized you harbored this grudge considering, again, this is 4 months later and you've yet to address this to me directly. I just went through 5 months of your posting history and I cannot find a singular time that you talked to me about this. I went through my messages and I cannot find a single message from you about this.

I'm sorry. Wasn't my intention to hurt you which is why I deleted the comment immediately after. But I am not psychic and had no idea you felt this way. All you ever had to do was address this to me. I am genuinely sorry. I hope you have a good day and that things go well for you.

Edit: I forgot to respond to the last line.

How can we trust the admins here won’t do the same as what happened in Risa?

Risa was run by a singular moderator when we started setting up TenForward. That was a major point of failure. When I set up TenForward I asked multiple people to join, all of us with different stances and opinions, to make a more robust team. We generally run things past one another and if something comes up with someone elses behavior, we will address it. If we are heavy handed with our powers or the other mods disagree repeatedly, then we will step down or be removed. And if you want to report moderator abuse you can feel free to do so to the admins. You wouldn't be the first and they do take action. Startrek.website admins never cared about what USS BurritoTruck was doing despite being messaged by multiple people about the problems inherent to Risa.

[+] [email protected] -11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First off, I’m a mod. Not an Admin.

Really? You felt it was important to start off with this tone on semantics?

Second, that comment was made 4 months ago

Why does that matter?

Also, no. I didn’t “start the toxic dogpiling”. This is even proven by the comment directly under mine in that screenshot which is someone else calling you out.

Your comment was the first reply.

You also didn’t make the post. You had commented on my post.

I never made that claim. Why even bring this up? Does it matter?

again, this is 4 months later and you’ve yet to address this to me directly.

Again, why does it matter that it was 4 months? What if it was 6 months? 4 weeks? 4 days? How does that change your actions?

This is what happened: You created a post. I made a harmless joke. You didn't like that joke and made a toxic comment. Other people didn't like that joke and joined in to make toxic comments. I called those people out for being toxic since my joke was aimed at no individual and completely harmless, and the backlash for that was all toxic comments aimed at me for just shooting my shot to make other people laugh. When I called people out for being toxic that included you which is why I had that screenshot and I even pinged you directly with it.

If you want an apology, all you ever had to do was ask. Something you have never done. I never offered one up because I didn’t realize the app you are using kept deleted messages. I felt like a dick and deleted it. I never even realized you harbored this grudge considering, again, this is 4 months later and you’ve yet to address this to me directly. I just went through 5 months of your posting history and I cannot find a singular time that you talked to me about this. I went through my messages and I cannot find a single message from you about this.

Why would I try to pursue you for an apology when I already pinged you and called you and everyone out at the place it happened? Instead I blocked you and the Risa community after plenty of evidence of toxicity.

I even mentioned this situation to [email protected]: https://lemmy.world/comment/5214666

I’m sorry. Wasn’t my intention to hurt you which is why I deleted the comment immediately after. But I am not psychic and had no idea you felt this way. All you ever had to do was address this to me. I am genuinely sorry. I hope you have a good day and that things go well for you.

How can I even take this apology seriously in the context of tone of this whole comment?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Wow. Okay. I think like you read a lot of negative tone into my comment that wasn't there so I'm going to explicitly say here and now that my tone is polite and casual. I am not trying to be accusatory.

Really? You felt it was important to start off with this tone on semantics?

It's not semantics in this case. Due to there being many different instances with many different admins, I felt that it was important to distinguish. Not for you specifically but in general.

Why does that matter?

Because you have not said anything about this for 4 months and have suddenly brought it up out of nowhere.

Your comment was the first reply.

No. It was not. This is proven in the screenshot you yourself posted as the person below me is responding to the exact same comment. My tone is now starting to change from friendly to cautious because I'm not a huge fan of being lied about, especially when you yourself have posted the proof against your own claim.

I never made that claim. Why even bring this up? Does it matter?

That is on me. I misread something.

Again, why does it matter that it was 4 months? What if it was 6 months? 4 weeks? 4 days? How does that change your actions?

It doesn't change my actions. It reflects yours. You haven't said anything about this for months and made a screenshot immediately of it. You never talked about this to me. You never gave me a chance to apologize. You never addressed to me at all.

This is what happened: You created a post. I made a harmless joke. You didn’t like that joke and made a toxic comment. Other people didn’t like that joke and joined in to make toxic comments. I called those people out for being toxic since my joke was aimed at no individual and completely harmless, and the backlash for that was all toxic comments aimed at me for just shooting my shot to make other people laugh. When I called people out for being toxic that included you which is why I had that screenshot and I even pinged you directly with it.

No. You made a toxic comment. You made some "joke" that all the cast of SNW were too pretty or too beautiful. It was a backhanded and snarky comment which is why you were called jealous by the person in your screenshot. This is also why I said that you want what you can't have. As for the ping, I didn't get one or at least never saw one. But the last thing I would have been interested in doing in that moment would have been doubling down in public. If I got a ping like that I would have sent a private apology. Because I deleted it due to feeling like a dick. Did I think your comment was tasteless, unfunny, and frankly kind of rude? Yeah. But did I feel like a douchebag for being negative towards you? Yes. Thus why it was deleted almost immediately.

How can I even take this apology seriously in the context of tone of this whole comment?

That's on you. The tone of my comment was not intended the way that you clearly took it. For that I also apologize in being unclear. But I am not trying to be angry or hostile or bitter here. Just genuinely saying that I am sorry, that I didn't know you were upset, and that I can't apologize for something I didn't know was a thing.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I noticed it switched when all the good Star Trek memes in my “all” feed switched from Risa to TenForward. Didn’t even know there was drama over on the other board until I saw the post. That’s one of the nice things about the fediverse, don’t like it, switch somewhere else and if the votes follow, everyone will see it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

I mean a good chunk of people left an entire site for various misgivings, if any mod has a power trip, the group of people willing to leave an entire site is likely also willing to switch a community if someones on a trip.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Democracy in action! Long live the United Federation of Memes!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's* been dead on Risa

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A few of us did leave comments and posts behind telling people where to go, but they quickly got deleted by the mod. Sorry, we tried. Glad you managed to find us!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

The removed my posts asking people to post more because of "drama"

I didn't even know there was "drama" until recently. I like the idea of startrek[.]website but I don't like the way its being run. They should do a voluntary shift change.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Heh, of course he did. It takes a real big brain to kill a community where the only rule is “there are no rules.” A big, smooth brain.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Hey, you're the creator of the original r/risa back on Reddit! Yeah, it's crazy how quickly the burrito truck tanked it...the exodus practically happened overnight! I found out about Ten Forward not 48 hours after Stamets created it, and by then 95% of the posters had already moved away from Risa. I'm sorry they killed your creation, it's a real shame it had to happen over such stupid reasons.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

While I enjoy the content, I subscribe to neither. Rest assured that anyone who has browsed Hot or Top 24h would sooner or later be made aware of the existence of TenForward. The ~~spam~~ quality content here tend to bubble up to the top. 🖖