268
Are PC Hardware Companies Slowly Driving Technology into Restricted Closed Ecosystems?
(www.scottrlarson.com)
Slowly? No.
this post was submitted on 29 Dec 2024
268 points (95.3% liked)
Technology
69046 readers
3425 users here now
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Our Rules
- Follow the lemmy.world rules.
- Only tech related news or articles.
- Be excellent to each other!
- Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
- Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
- Politics threads may be removed.
- No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
- Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
- Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
- Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.
Approved Bots
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
Why is this entire Lemmy community just weird leading-title BS articles about nothing?
load more comments
(1 replies)
Can someone tell Scott that they added the driver for his laptop on November 29th? Almost a month before he made this post.
Further, from some light reading on the subject after searching around it sounds like since most stuff is moving to NVMe drives, Intel is indeed slowly removing ACHI from newer devices, which does mean you need those IRST drivers to boot and recognize disks.
I think it's less companies trying to fuck us over and a hiccup in the slow but steady adoption and adaptation of new technologies.
EDIT:
Here's the Intel Rapid Store Technology driver for the other PC he pointed out, too. This one was added in November 2023.
This seems like it's a non-issue and maybe this guy just doesn't know what the IRST acronym stands for?
Much ado about literally nothing. This is literally based on nothing but his own speculation based on his failure to find these drivers that literally exist and are available. Honestly should be removed as misinformation since both PCs he mentioned have IRST drivers available right now.
Excuse me, Scoot Blickerdon, that would require people suffering technology struggles actually research their issues and do the legwork to fix them themselves.
Kinda ironic to hear it from you, all things considered.
(It's still up, by the way, because Nate Silver might be stupid but having worked for a large media organization he understands how copyright law works.)
most stuff is moving to NVMe drives,
NO!!! GOD DAMMIT, NO!!! 2.5" SSD's JUST NOW GOT CHEAP ENOUGH TO BUY!!! NO!!!! FUCK ALL THIS PLANNED OBSOLETE CRAP!!! I'm going to keep buying SSD's, and I have a whole little system. It's like NES cartridges.
I buy the big ones as the slave drives, and the little ones as the OS drives. And when I want to swap out, I just turn off my PC, swap out one hard drive for another, and pristo bingo blammo I'm on a tottally different OS.
Wait, you're swapping hardware to switch to a different OS? Why? Just make a dual boot system
load more comments
(3 replies)
Okay that's totally fine, SATA ports aren't going anywhere for a while. And you can always add more via PCIe cards. Just buy regular size boards and you'll be fine.
No no, I mean the drives themselves. It's already hard to find smaller drives.
Go try to find western digital blue 120gb 2.5" in new condition from a reliable seller who's going to still exist in a year, and isn't some ebay scammer.
It's already impossible to find those. I fear if they move over to NVME they won't make 4TB drives anymore in a 2.5" ssd either. And then there's the whole issue of advancing the medium to made cards LARGER than 4TB.
I got a good system set up. I do not understand why I had to mad scientist hack this thing together like this. Eventually I need a dremmel, because Dell makes their front cases stupid.
But basically, I got inspired for this by my raspberry pi. I eject the sd card, I put a new SD card in, and the hardware is a totally different purpose. It could be a pihole. It could be a retro arcade. It could be anything. And with a quick swap, it's anything else.
Well now I have that with an x86 board computer. But I need the drives to keep getting made.
load more comments
(5 replies)
load more comments
(3 replies)
It's the same with NVMe, what do you mean.
Have you ever opened a 2.5" sata ssd? half of the box is empty, it's just there so you can screw it to the case on the other side. I hope that form factor will die soon. We need nvme in m.2 format for everything small, and 3.5" for servers. 2.5" should disappear.
The consumer grade 2.5" drives may be half empty, but the enterprise grade ones are mostly heatsink so they don't thermal throttle within a minute of heavy use. M.2 drives are way too small. It was fine for SATA speeds, but not for the PCIe 5 NVMe drives.
2.5" should disappear.
NO! I JUST BOUGHT LIKE $600 WORTH OF DRIVES AND EQUIPMENT TO MAKE MY COMPUTER A FRONT LOADER!!! And I'm going to buy several 4TB drives in this form factor......just over the coarse of the next few years. Maybe like 10 of them in 5 years.
I don't said your devices will stop working, you misunderstand the whole conversation. Form factors change all time, I have here a 5.25" 8 MB HDD next to me. "Planned obsolescence" that I can't use a 30 years old component? You can hardly buy a motherboard with floppy or IDE/PATA ports. Do you also miss them?
I mean, it's expected that new devices won't have all the old ports, like USB killed all the serial and parallel and other terrible single use ports, thanks god. You can always buy dongles, like, I have IDE-USB converter so I can still use my old devices. I recently bought a laptop IDE-m.2 converter, so I can use m.2 sata SSD in a Win-98 era laptop. Where is this obsolescence, I could work it around easily. SATA won't disappear, and 2.5" to 3.5" adapters are cheap as hell, as it's just a plastic frame.
load more comments
(1 replies)
2.5in is rather common in servers these days.
load more comments
(3 replies)
load more comments
(1 replies)
I'm hoping your right. It's probably more nuance than a simplistic article. But it did seem like it was true at the time the article was written.
It might be me but I'm finding the big companies like Dell are doubling down a bit on their property drivers and at the same time, other companies that are simply open souring everything, if just for the "free" bug/features the community is willing to add to their platforms. It's a strange duality to live through.
I understand that but this article is literally nothing but his own speculation because he tried and failed twice to find drivers, one of which has been available a month before he posted this, and the other available over a year before he posted this. It's not malicious, but its misinformation based on fear-driven speculation about bad corporations. I fucking hate corpos too but this is dumb. We don't need to make shit up out of fear of bad behavior.
This is literally already turning into an anti-corporate circlejerk because of a misunderstanding. It's kind of like when Bernie Sanders supporters at the Democratic National Convention in 2016 were completely convinced the Cisco WiFi routers around the arena were noise generators to drown out their cheers for Sanders. It's dumb and unhelpful and makes us look stupid.
I'd make an argument for the opposite if we're talking about the general field. The major OEMs are going head first into enshittification, while other companies are building for more open ecosystems.
For anyone looking for a list of manufacturers intentionally trying to make their hardware more compatible with open ecosystems:
- Framework
- System76
- ASRock
- Minisforum
- Slimbook (they make the KDE branded laptop)
- MNT
- GL.iNet (routers only so far)
- Penguin
- Supermicro
- Star Labs
- Pine
- Clevo
I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones that are deliberately building intentionally FOR mass compatibility, unlike HP, Dell, Lenovo, ASUS...etc.
This is not to say there aren't some models from the major manufacturer product lines that aren't widely compatible, but their main focus is not those products.
Hmmmmm, I'll go with Clevo. Because I'm from Cleveland, and it's called Clevo. It's like the PC brand that was too drunk to spell Cleveland. Which is pretty on brand for this city.
I had a rebranded clevo back in 2009. It worked great for a few years before the dedicated gpu died. It was a sleek design (especially for the time) too.
They'll get an upvote just for that explanation 😂
Framework is honestly the best thing on the market right now though, gotta say.
load more comments
(4 replies)
I want the pine products but every time I see the reviews it seems like they are not the greatest at the more common tasks.
At some point I want to get an MST if/when my system76 dies. But it's a easy to repair so it will probably be a while.
If you're looking for a general purpose device, go Framework. Look at their Refurb store. Very reasonable.
Thanks but a friend of mine had bad experiences with it. Something to do with the power and hinges. Lots of costly repairs on the first year or so.
Hopefully they fixed the issue.
Never had an issue. What was your friend's problem?
The power adapter died pretty quick witch caused a mobo failure if I recall.
load more comments
(1 replies)
What are ASRock doing?
ASRock servers, minipcs and mitx industrial boards are highly compatible with Linux, and it's intentional. Sometimes trailing chipset versions just to stay that way.
Oooh, didnt know asrock made minipcs, im gonna have to look into that!
Interesting; I've associated them with just making cheap boards. Is that changing?
Lol. They are one of the few manufacturers that have made consistently solid products and components for decades. Feels like many have already jumped over to being terrible.
They used to make zanier products (the stuff with ULI chipsets and CPU upgrade slots) back in the 2000s when they were a lowend brand competing with ECS. The feature set between boards is less diverse these days.
load more comments
(2 replies)
load more comments
(3 replies)
load more comments
(1 replies)
I think my home server build will eventually be based on a used Asrock industrial mainboard. I’ve heard nothing but good feedback.
I remember them being a bit of a small upstart company years ago when I started paying attention to computer stuff.
load more comments
(2 replies)
load more comments
(9 replies)