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From https://reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1hokr0c/mozilla_chair_pay_vs_firefox_market_share_2023/m4aca4j/:

Total 2022 pay: $6,903,089
Total 2023 pay: $6,260,072 - a $643,017 decrease
Base chair pay: $600,000
2023 chair bonuses and other incentives: $5,622,600

Sources:

For comparison, here are other executive salaries ($0 bonuses for each)

Executive name Title Total Pay (2023)
MARK SURMAN PRESIDENT & EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR 715,143
J. BOB ALOTTA SVP, GLOBAL PROGRAMS 508,138
ANGELA PLOHMAN COO, SECRETARY & TREASURER 452,234
ASHLEY BOYD SVP, GLOBAL ADVOCACY 427,701
ZHILUN PANG DIRECTOR OF FINANCE 273,069
DAVID WALKER SENIOR COUNSEL 268,565
LAINIE DECOURSY DIRECTOR, ORG EFFECTIVENESS 267,028
JUAN BARANI SENIOR DIRECTOR, GIFT PLANNING 262,879
STEPHANIE WRIGHT SR PROGRAM MANAGER, MOZFEST 236,785
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I don't like that your graph key indicates the pay line is in $US millions then the axis is in millions not units. Indicating that the values are in millions of millions which seems unlikely

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Google released the stable version of Chrome, and funneled significant resources into marketing it. This was the first stage of their strategy - they focused on firstly making a good product, and the squeeze on users only came later (and is probably only just starting in the scheme of things).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Can we get these graphs for duckduckgo superimposed on this one?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Firefox user here, fuck chrome!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

You can see where chrome and Firefox 3.x coexisted.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago (5 children)

This graph shows a disingenuous relationship between revenue and the market share of a free and open source project within the walls of a not-for-profit organization. Firefox is not a revenue stream in the traditional sense. In fact, most of Mozilla 's money comes from grants and donations for projects and research they do.

I get that CEO=EVIL is a viral topic these days but if all you know about Mozilla is that they make the Not Chrome browser, then you should really educate yourself on what it is that Mozilla actually does for the internet. Then you might feel a little better with this pay scale graph.

That all aside, this graph shows the market share of Mozilla when there were 5 browsers available to the vast majority of users, Internet Explorer, Firefox, chrome, Opera, and safari. It's also before chrome took over the market share from IE at the same time that it pushed out Firefox as the leading browser because chrome was available on the iPhone and was the default browser on Android devices. Hardly a surprise to see that when the internet exploded in users and literally every human being started to carry around a chrome device in their pockets that Mozilla Firefox's market share went down.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Mozilla foundation's largest source of revenue is Google, who is also their largest source of competition. To simply keep increasing the pay of their chief executive officer, to keep them kissing the ass of Google, seems like a strategy that doesn't align with what many would consider metrics of a successful project, like active users........

Looks like you missed the point of the graph.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Graph doesn't even show active users. It shows market share which is totally different. Market share is percentage of total users regardless of how many users are out there. Active users can go up while market share goes down. That's why this graph is disingenuous.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How much money do they actually spend on the development of Firefox? That's a figure I haven't been able to find. However, in 2023, they had $1.5 billion in assets.

The only justification for a high-paying CEO is if they need to coordinate some large scale fundraising effort - schmoozing with other rich fucks to gain further donations, and plotting elaborate strategies to get more donations.

They have $1.5 billion in assets. How much more do they really need? Need someone to manage Mozilla's assets? Make me the CEO. I'll do it for you. In fact, I'll do it for free. That will be my contribution to the Firefox project. I'll stick that $1.5 billion in simple bond and index funds and withdraw at a very conservative 2% rate. And that will provide $30 million a year to spend on developers to improve Firefox and other projects. And we can just keep doing that forever. I'll purposefully withdraw funds at a rate lower than the market averages, so the real value of the endowment grows over time. And that will allow us to slowly expand the scope of operations and start new projects. And while I won't spend any time or effort to schmooze and jet set across the country to kiss the ass of some billionaire, if one wants to throw some money in the pot, we'll have a donation button on the website.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago

What a self serving wank fest

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Even if he made the air suck everyone's dick and chocolate pudding rain from the sky, he shouldn't have seven million US dollars every year

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

700k is high for us but low for CEO pay... I don't see why CEOs should get as much money when they never have any liability but that's another question. (Or... what are they really good for, and couldn't they simply be replaced by the decision matrix their team builds for them anyways)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

iphone/android etc

reasonable point but firefox is hardly better off if you look at only desktop share

https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202411

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You are misinformed too.

This is only about the Mozilla Corporation. Hence, "the ones that make Firefox".

The ones fighting for an open Internet are the Mozilla Foundation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The Mozilla corporation are whole owned by the Mozilla Foundation... They are the same company. And both are not-for-profit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What @[email protected] wrote. It's hard to grasp for me too, but ~~apparently~~ it's allowed in the US, and even a very spread practice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

No that's the trick: Mozilla corp is for-profit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's sad to see Firefox continue to lose popularity I thought there might be some kind of comeback but no.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Part of the problem is both Chrome and Edge come installed by default on the company's own products, and they have massive campaigns to keep you from switching, since user data is so profitable for them to sell.

It is up to us, the "person who does IT for the whole family" to beat back the other browsers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Firefox is the default on Linux. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Ugh I use Firefox because fuck chrome, but they do have some really annoying ass bugs that should have been dealt with long ago before they kept adding features.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Haven't come across any bugs that i know of, but im really annoyed that they still haven't added HDR support. Has been requested for literal years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pull to refresh for starters on mobile is wonky as hell accidentally triggering. It's not nearly as nice and consistent as chrome

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Weird, I don't know of a sire where I've had a problem with that.

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