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College student put on academic probation for using Grammarly: ‘AI violation’::Marley Stevens, a junior at the University of North Georgia, says she was wrongly accused of cheating.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I've been at the front of the classroom--using tools like TurnItIn is fine for getting "red flags," but I'd never rely on just tools to give someone a zero.

First, unless you're in a class with a hundred people, the professor would have a general idea as to whether you're putting in effort--are they attentive? Do they ask questions? And an informal talk with the person would likely determine how well they understand the content in the paper. Even for people who can't articulate well, there are questions you can ask that will give you a good feel for whether they wrote it.

I've caught cheaters several times, it's not that hard. Will a few slide through? Yes, but they will regardless of how many stupid AI tools you use. Give the students the benefit of the doubt and put in some effort, lazy profs.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 8 months ago (3 children)

My sister once got a zero because of a 100% match in the system with her own same work uploaded there a few minutes before. It was resolved, but - not very nice emotions.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago

She can just show them the version history in Google Docs.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 217 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Simple solution. Ask the student to talk about their paper. If they know the subject matter, the point of the assignment is meant.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 8 months ago (4 children)

That's great for some people, but would be absolutely horrible for people like me. I usually know the subject matter, but I tend to have problems gettingy thoughts out of my head. So I'd just end up getting double screwed if I were in this situation.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago

Yes, which is why I hate job interviews and especially people pretending to be good as interviewers and telling stories how somebody didn't know something elementary. Well, maybe if it's elementary, then the applicant did know that, just your questions confuse people, which makes it mostly your fault (that's not directed to anybody present).

[–] [email protected] 52 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm reminded of the lecturer who was accused of being an AI when they sent an email.

Getting the triple-whammy of being accused of using an AI when you didn't, drawing a blank during an oral interview/explanation, and then being penalised like you'd used one anyway, would be hellish.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 8 months ago

This is the right answer. No tool can detect AI generated content with zero false positives, but someone using AI to cheat won't actually know the subject matter.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

My masters program told us to use AI all we wanted but just site the use.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Masters... writing all those citation pages... so what site did you use to generate those?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

this is ridiculous. spell and grammar check tools != AI content generators or plagiarism.

edid: apparently grammarly has changed a lot since i last used it.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Grammarly is a lot more than a spell checker. Here are some screenshots from their marketing page that specifically recommends using their product as a student.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (8 children)

But you still need to put the content in there. All it does is do the boring formatting stuff. The real crime is not teaching students latex.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

aha, grammarly has changed a lot since i last used it.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I agree, but also grammarly did get into the ai market. https://www.grammarly.com/ai

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

oh, really...

[–] [email protected] 133 points 8 months ago (1 children)

turn it in is a fucking content farm anyway. you sign over your rights to them. we should insist schools stop using it.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (5 children)

You sign over rights to your works when you turn them in for grades anyway. The school can do whatever they want with your papers.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Which is such a fucking scam. You're paying the school so the school has rights to your shit somehow?

My friend put his own Masters Thesis on libgen because fuck that absolute horseshit.

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