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I'm someone with relatively small hands, plus I want my phone to be on the smaller side since I prefer to use my tablet/computer/tv to watch content. But this trend where many manufacturers tend to keep futures away from smaller phones to drive people to bigger phones is driving me crazy and really makes it hard for me to buy a new phone. I can understand not having everything like maybe a periscope lens or something else that is cost etc. but not to this level. Like take Samsung for example: S24 lacks uwb, 45w, a 1440p display, has a lower amount of ram and storage. Why? Why can't the s24 have faster charging or uwb? Why is there no 512 version and why does it have to start with 128gb storage? Is it not a flagship? It costs 949€ in my place! Why do I have to give 200€ more to get the s24+ just to get these simple features? I don't want a bigger phone! Google does the same! No uwb, no thermometer sensor, no telephoto lens. And don't get me started with all the software features google is keeping for the 8 pro like they don't have the same processor. Why? Are they cheap? No they are not. I'm just really annoyed by this cause I really don't want such a big phone.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was cleaning out awhile ago and found my first ever smartphone, a Galaxy s3. Boy, the memories... that phone sure wasn't perfect, but I think it's still my favorite phone, and it was literally the perfect size for my tiny ass hands. I hate hauling a small tablet around.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The future of small phones is the flip format. I know that's likely not what any of you want to hear, but it's the truth. Small slates are critically endangered at this point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Sadly I think you're right.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You now have reviewers that say on foldable phones they do most of their stuff on the small screen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Might be different for the newer generations, but I have a fold 2 and it's awkwardly skinny closed. I almost always use my phone open if possible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I waited for the Pixel Fold specifically for this reason, Galaxy Folds are way too narrow and makes you want to use it unfolded which I think goes against the spirit of a foldable, to be a phone when you need a phone and a tablet when you need a tablet

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Literally why I'm still sitting here on my Pixel 5.

In the past, manufacturers seem to "innovate" every few years and reinvent the small form factor phone. I'm waiting, hoping we see that trend breaking again soon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just bought a 5. Going to buy a couple more as spares.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know, I should buy a spare. Thanks for the idea

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I 100% agree with you. I bought a folding phone just so that I could have a modern phone that fits in my damn pants. Comparing the size of any modern phone to the size of smartphone I had 10ish years ago (Xperia U...with a whopping 3.5 inch display) is absolutely wild. Being able to text with one hand again would be amazing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It’s not just android devices, Apple discontinued the mini (5.4”) after the 13 series and they are on 15 series now. If you want a small iPhone now you have to get the SE which is an 8 with a chip from the 13 inside. The standard size is now 6.1 on both platforms.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

6.1 is still slightly smaller than the S24 OP is talking about.

Although Apple also remove features from the Plus phones when it comes to the camera.

I know this is an android /c, but I have the iPhone 15 Pro, so miss out on the upgraded camera.

I agree with OP. The big phones are just too big. I like the size of the standard size phones.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m hoping the Mini isn’t discontinued, just that they are skipping a few gens. I have a 13 Mini. Given my normal pace of buying, I’ll be in the market for a 20 Mini.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah the mini is a great phone just didn’t sell well. I thought maybe they would roll the X back out as a mini or a SE since it’s screen size was about halfway between the mini and regular 12&13. I never thought phones would just keep getting bigger. I remember switching from a HTC One to an LG G3 with its massive 5.5” screen and it was just perfect lol.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well for one thing, it costs more to make a smaller phone than a larger phone. There are other engineering concerns as well such as heat dissipation. But mostly, any company makes things for profit reasons, not what would work best for you:-(. Hence, if they can extort a higher amount of money out of you, then that is what they will aim to do.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

While I don't disagree with most of what you mention, I do have to ask on a couple points...Isn't it probably significantly more expensive for them to make foldable screens than to make a smaller phone? Also wouldn't a larger device mean more materials involved which may mean similar or just as high costs as to engineer something more compact?

Also these are open questions, I'm not expecting you personally to know one way or another, your comment simply inspired them. If someone else has some insight on them, would be interested to read it!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

One of the questions asked ("Why do I have to give 200€ more to get the s24+ just to get these simple features?") was comparing S24 to S24+. While I have not looked it up, traditionally those versions range from SXY (small) to SXY+ (medium) and SXY Ultra (large), but are otherwise the same phone, so I would be surprised to hear if e.g. the S24 was foldable but the S24+ was not?

As for whether it gets more expensive to make something foldable vs. to make something more compact, I suspect the devil is in the details, so ymmv and you just kinda take each option as it comes. Other factors may help mitigate those costs e.g. a younger company trying to break into the big leagues might try to give phones away for virtually no profits in exchange for their increased market penetration (e.g. OnePlus used to be somewhat this way, now they are in the big leagues, more or less).

But your other point, about more materials: no, I believe that it's more complex than that b/c it's the effort of fitting things into tighter spaces that is more constraining. Imagine packing for a long vacation and/or a job interview at a far-away place and you get the idea - if you can fit everything into one suitcase that's good, but a tiny backpack is much harder to accomplish, and to take nothing and just live with what you can carry on your body alone is REALLY tough! (especially if you want all the normal features like not smelling bad) i.e. the materials costs, while not negligible, have not been the driving/limiting force for many years. At least according to everything that I have read, but I am no phone manufacturer!:-)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Xperia Z compacts were awesome because of this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah they were probably the last great small Android phones. The "small" phones of today like the Zenfone and base Galaxy S series are noticeably larger.

EDIT: Just want to add that both the XZ1 Compact and the XZ2 Compact are still being maintained. The XZ1 Compact supports both iodΓ©OS and LineageOS for microG, while the XZ2 Compact is an official LineageOS device. Obviously not a perfect solution for everyone but they are still viable if size is a key issue for you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

That's a hill I will die on. Bring back rugged android phones under 6".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I picked up a Pixel 8 in the store. It isn't small, but it is a nice size for my hands. I bought the Pro because it's getting exclusive features and has a bigger battery. I want to hold onto this phone for a while, so I wanted more features

It's shitty. If the two sizes received equivalent features, I would have gone for the smaller device.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I like bigger phones, but I hate camera bumps.

Just make the damn thing thicker and flat on the back.

I miss my note 9, the last flat backed flagship phone.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I consider cases an unfortunately necessary evil.

I prefer to go raw most of the time.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

But wouldn't a case do exactly what you want? It would make the damn thing thicker and flat on the back.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It would, but why not make the phone larger and add more battery?

I've never heard someone say "my phone has too much battery"

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Try the CAT S22 for a compact and mediocre experience. I love it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"and mediocre experience" hahaha

Have my up vote.

How bad is it? Seems that branded stuff like this would likely be mediocre.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like my big phone and most people seem to like them as well. Manufacturers want to sell more phones and the intersection of people who care about things you mention (what the heck is even uwb) and really want a small phone is very small.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Uwb is ultra wide band. It's what makes things like Air Tags work, tracking them down to a few centimeters in accuracy.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Small phones are great but unfortunately we have become a niche. For companies to make products for a niche, they will have to charge them a high price or push them to different products.

The only small android phone I would consider is the Asus zen phone. And even that is +Β£700.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The problem is not that they are expensive. The problem is that even though they are expensive, they are still lacking basic features! Why can't the s24 have 45w or the pixel 8 have thermometer sensor or the video boost thing? Like, no reason at all

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly, artificially limit the phone touch you to bigger phones.

Mind you, once you have many phones sharing the same hardware(for example the same 6.7inch screen), it becomes a question of adding or removing features (fast charging, AI, etc).

It makes commercial for companies to standardise on as many parts as possible.

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