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Coffeezilla does a third part of his CS:GO gambling expose...where he squarely puts the blame on Valve (www.youtube.com)

submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Valve refused to comment for the video.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Valve just needs a way to ensure you are over the age of 18, and I know a way they can do that WITHOUT collecting IDs. They need to incorporate an age quiz like leisure suit Larry.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Or just fucking turn off trading stupid weapon skins? Idk, seems like the bare fucking minimum of effort.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

where he squarely puts the blame on Valve

I know G*mers are far to Stockholmed by the monopolistic hell scape that Valve is responsible for.

But it's nice to see someone say it.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I really don't get the love for Valve. They charge double the fees of some other digital platforms, and people flip the fuck out when a developer is like "we're releasing on origin because paying Valve would cost more money than the entire net profit of the game.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

What a strange way to look at it. Does Valve charge double than other store fronts, or did those other store fronts start charging half in an attempt to undercut Valve?

Also I find it strange how you mention things like publishing fees and people not liking games being released on other store fronts instead of Steam while you fail to write a single mention to Steam's main competitor in those fronts: the Epic Games Store.

Is there a reason for these 2 points, or are they just a coincidence?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What a strange way to look at it. Here Valve is, actively working to addict children to their unregulated gambling market, but yeah, let’s deflect the conversation by protecting them and pointing out how mean we think somebody else is being to them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's ok, you'll get over it. Happy new year!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Typical ancap response.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

What a strange way to wish someone a happy new year back. At least I know what I can gift you for next Christmas. Labels!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I actually typed Origin when I meant to type EGS, which charges 18% to Steam's 30%.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I can totally understand a small dev team who self-publish their games taking Epic's exclusivity deal, even publishing on the EGS instead of Steam, every cent counts if they want to survive. But that's not the whole story.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Because they came way after and are willing to take a loss in hopes of taking out valve ... And yet they haven't.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Valve has a huge backbone it also needs for daily traffic. Valve is pushing gaming on linux big time. Crossover wine etc would have taken at least years. Provide space for the community for forum, workshop, other data ( all running costs ) Epic origin uplay purely stock market oriented with junk launcher which is far worse spyware than Steam. Valve offers refunds. Their efforts with Steam link, controller, deck and whatnot. Valve offers the player a hell of a lot. Competitors offer junk spyware launcher mostly for games with rootkit compulsion.... do not offer a forum or anything else but refer to steam. Would prefer not to offer anything directly on steam but have a right to use the platform... Would the competitors instead of suing... would invest in the products and think about the players instead of the shareholders... then there would be no monopoly. Damn valve even opens up to others for free... Steamos, for example, will also exist outside the steam deck, whereby competitors could also adapt it directly as something of their own.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

They offer a free operating system anyone can use that's name after their company and designed to play games sold through the included store for a 30% cut of sales.

What saints!

If Google did something similar, I bet everyone would say they're a great company and not at all evil....

Gabe is a billionaire monopolist, not your friend.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Ask linux Kernel maintainer or mesa, Vulkan, wine etc. what they profit from valves cooperation. Yes, valve is very involved. Yes, Google and the like also contribute improvements from time to time, but for the most part it remains with their proprietary accessories that only they themselves benefit from. Gabe has also built up a lot of things to earn this. As I said, competitors are always welcome to improve their launchers and build a backbone comparable to that of valve.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My point is that SteamOS is similar to Android from a business perspective.

They're making an OS for free that anyone can install, but they're doing it to get people to buy software from Steam.

Yeah, you don't have to use Steam as your software provider, but Android users don't have to use the Play Store.

Guess where almost all apps are purchased on Android? Valve wants to be the Google of the mobile PC gaming world.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You said it! Valve actively supports OSS and that in many projects from which people beyond games also benefit (yes, they also exist). That Valve with Proton has just made sure that MS monopoly position is no longer so secure (oh wonder that in the most popular games devs then simply turn off linux support in anti-cheat...). ). You can certainly criticize a lot, but valve gives back a lot of things differently. Just no other Play Störe alternatives because the competition only complains, offers a junk launcher with dubious methods to offer a game for free every week... ( no risk but because of fixed amount possibly significantly less the developers... besides, the money comes from fortnite addicted children ). epic ubisoft ea use dirty methods anyway and known 30%... what they are hiding is that the 30% is the case with steam keys. however, they also have the possibility to link it to their own store with their own keys while it would be listed for free on steam only they would have to do without any steam feature ( anti cheat, workshop, forum, support, download from steam depotetc. Oh and have enough servers themselves regarding downloads.

By the way, about your comparison with android... Take a look at their Chromebooks. Have fun gaming!xD

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Its the problem with corporate worship. People cant admit that their team might be bad, and by extension..their worship might be wrong, so they just get angry and hostile.

Especially when you point out that a lot of what they praise about Valve, was forced reactions to actual consumer protection lawsuits, or the threat of a possibility of one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've heard more stories about CSGO over the years compared to other gambling games, but never heard people criticize the game like they do FIFA. It's just my corner of the world, where Valve is a holy corporation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

All the sweaty middle-aged dudes with unwashed asses see GabeN as the only good billionaire. They’ll protect him with the same fervor that they use to try and keep women and POC out of gaming.

[+] [email protected] -20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Getting tired of these "shock" youtube channels drumming up drama for views. It's only a matter of time before someone points the youtube cannon at these channels.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

For fucks sake, Coffee is an investigative journalist, and he didn’t drum up shit. The problem has always been there, you idiots are just too busy sucking GabeN off that you can’t entertain the possibility that he isn’t the second coming of Christ.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I see your point entirely and I understand why you feel that way. Just want to give you my friendly opinion on Coffee. I wouldn't consider him a "shock" Youtuber, personally. He is an entertainer and a journalist, and pretty good at both IMO. He is definitely drumming up drama to a degree but I think this topic is especially worth the attention. I've watched the series this is a part of and can tell you that dude has done his homework. He included several interviews he did with different people that offers up a few pretty interesting perspectives. I recommend checking it out! At the end of the day, clickbait thumbnails and titles work well on YouTube and for some creators that otherwise might not drum it up it can be a matter of, "if you can't beat em, join em", but I definitely think the ends justify the means considering all of his work is what I and many others would call "fighting the good fight".

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How is investigating and calling out scammers and the like "drumming up drama"?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because I disagree with it!! (/s)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

I'm not even gonna lie up until a few months ago I was somehow under the impression that Valve and GabeN weren't that evil. Learning about his 6th yacht and how they intentionally made loot crates as addictive as possible and target young people kind of put things in perspective. There's still no such thing as an ethical billionaire.

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