I have this really wierd take where I judge things based on the other things in their group. A sort of realtive judgement based on my experience of reality. As opposed to what I feel it should be in an ideal state in my head. I would like to get to that ideal state but it has not come to be yet. Once again I will say that biden was the best president of my lifetime. I get a lot of flak from that but so far no one has taken a president from the last 50 years as an example of how much better they were than him or gave me a run down rank putting him at the bottom below reagan and bush and trump and such.
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Once again I will say that biden was the best president of my lifetime.
And lots of people say trump was/is...
That's because it's an opiy, and everyone is entitled to their own, no matter how few agree with them.
but so far no one has taken a president from the last 50 years as an example of how much better they were than him or gave me a run down rank putting him at the bottom below reagan and bush and trump and such.
He's below Obama, and Bill...
Those are the only two Dem presidents to compare him too.
While ignoring that Biden was just a figurehead for the neo liberal wing that stopped Obama from doing more...
That's the important distinction, Obama wasn't perfect but tried to do more and failed.
Biden drug his feet and reluctantly did some small things, but the people who decided it was Biden's turn and gave him the "victory fund" when Hillary was done with it have the pull they could have gotten a lot done.
They just didn't want to
And I know all this goes over people's heads, and they're likely just going to get upset because Biden has the right letter by his name.
But how can you say Biden was better than Obama considering that?
The problem with comparing Presidents is that you have to consider the times they were in power, and what did get done vs. what could have been done. Sorting Democrats above Republicans is the easy part, but the caveat is that they could have been so much better, but settled for better than Republicans. And of course parties over time change as well. Neither party resembles the past version in many ways.
I'm surprised you put Biden above Obama or Carter though. What major achievement did he do that gives him top level?
actually its because as you say considering the times. obama had two terms and in the first term he wasted a lot of time trying to work with republicans. as such the aca was the only thing to come out of it and he had a very nice initial setup congression wise. Biden had a very adversarial situation and managed to do quite a bit of useful thing. beyond the omundsman bill was the no surprise billing and not allowing college loan debt to rise above principle, have payback relative to means and discharged after 20 years of payments (the income driven plan). This is keep in mind the compromise action after knocking down many other more comprehensive discharging and despite a complete lack of appreciation on this platform for it from many folks. he was like a bulldog coming back and getting at least something done for all of his stuff. Getting more people overtime when miscategorized as exempt. I still give him credit for the no compete even though the courts blocked it. It at least as made it an issue. Don't get me wrong I like obama like as far as stats. well spoken, well educated, just downright cool and a leader you could be proud to have. One that makes other countries jealous. Again though he sorta wasted the first term. I do keep in mind that biden did better because of his experience under obama though so its a bit unfair but its results that matter. Similarly carter did not get a lot in his term and unfortunately it was because he was to good for the job really.
A fair answer. Most interesting is the commonality they all share that impedes further progress. The other party. I can't blame Obama for limited success, when the opposition adopts a "Vote No" mentality because of racism, and he hit resistance within his own party that made the wins lackluster (ACA and Lieberman).
Ah yeah joes legacy failing to remove the bad policies he helped write and pass into legislation for 50 years. Dead Gaza Baby, Three Strikes Your Black, Drugs are only ok if your Rich or related to me - greatest hits.
No Biden, your legacy will be that your ego was so big, you let your country fall into fascism rather than relinquish power. He never should have run for 2024, and the DNC should have had an actual primary.
Nothing else he did during his term will end up mattering nearly as much as how it ended.
Green energy, EV investment, union empowerment (inb4), student debt relief marijuana pardons and likely rescheduling, infrastructure, drug price controls, Chips act, PACT act, non-competes banned (by FTC along 'party lines'), pardoning people kicked out of military for being gay, supporting Ukraine, etc, etc.
People saying he didn't do anything have their head in the sand.
Is this where we cue "but he didn't do everything, everywhere, all at once"?
inb4
You lost me the moment you thought the strikes were only about sick days. Look up the unions' demand and you'll see that sick days were only one of many, and Biden still gave them less of those than they demanded.
Edit: Typo.
and likely rescheduling
Cannabis is still Schedule I.
Going to copy paste my comment from elsewhere
He started the process for medical marijuana legalization in 2022 via rescheduling to schedule 3 (Harris had called for full legalization, Biden only called for medical). It's not as simple as a singular executive order when done without congressional action alone. The existing law makes the process very convoluted to reschedule. Lots of steps inbetween with people that have actively tried to slow it down
The formal rule for it ended up being fully proposed in May 2024, and the DEA has dragged it out and kept delaying it. The DEA managed to push the inital first hearing out until Dec 2nd and there keep being legal challenges from outside groups to push it back further and further
Dems also tried getting it through via legislation which is much faster. Passed in the house but it died in the senate
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3617
Dems also tried getting it through via legislation which is much faster. Passed in the house but it died in the senate
Gee. How could that have happened in the Senate that Democrats controlled at the time?
The filibuster, which Biden did try to push for removal in certain areas. Joe Manchin and Sinema wouldn't budge on it
We gave Democrats a majority. We gave them the opportunity. They didn't do what we elected them to do.
Joe Manchin is barely a democrat - though he's probably the best you'd get out of West Virginia. In other parts of the world, he'd be a different party and he's already left the Democratic party
Look, Biden could have just gone home, blamed Manchin, called it a day on so many issues but he didn't. He actually tried to do what he could via executive action in many areas. He got zero credit for quite significant legislation and executive action
He managed to get one of the largest US climate bill through (Inflation Reduction Act), large infrastructure investments, etc.
Biden has many many faults. You don't need to claim there's ones in the areas where he did really try and got only shit on for it
Joe Manchin is barely a democrat
Joe Manchin's obstruction is the last word people got from the Democratic Party on a host of issues.
Look, Biden could have just gone home, blamed Manchin, called it a day on so many issues but he didn’t.
Like he did with most of BBB, yes.
He got zero credit for quite significant legislation and executive action
That's what happens when you spend decades being on the wrong side of issues, as Biden was with both cannabis and student loans. You don't get credit for slapping a tiny store-brand bandaid over the problems you made a career out of creating and exacerbating. Especially when the tiny store-brand bandaid falls off.
He managed to get one of the largest US climate bill through (Inflation Reduction Act)
Centrists really overestimate the popularity of that law. Sometimes they wait a whole other sentence before gloating about record oil production.
Biden has many many faults. You don’t need to claim there’s ones in the areas where he did really try and got only shit on for it
His other faults make me disinclined to carry water for him.
Oh word, is marijuana legalized Joe?
Of course it isn't. But centrists will lie and say it is.
He started the process for medical marijuana legalization in 2022 via rescheduling to schedule 3 (Harris had called for full legalization, Biden only called for medical). It's not as simple as a singular executive order when done without congressional action alone. The existing law makes the process very convoluted to reschedule. Lots of steps inbetween with people that have actively tried to slow it down
The formal rule for it ended up being fully proposed in May 2024, and the DEA has dragged it out and kept delaying it. The DEA managed to push the inital first hearing out until Dec 2nd and there keep being legal challenges from outside groups to push it back further and further
Gee, a savvy career politician like Biden should have known they would have done that and accounted for it.
Oh wait. He did. That's why he did it so late. So it wouldn't happen.
Or he tried getting through via legislation because he knew that'd be much faster, but only once he knew he didn’t have the votes for it, he then pivoted to the slower executive action
There was a bill passed in 2022 in the house to do exactly that which ran into roadblocks in the senate
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3617
There was a bill passed in 2022 in the house to do exactly that which ran into roadblocks in the senate
Funny how that always happens on things Democrats never had any intention of ever doing.