The guardian are corporate shills. This is a GOOD thing. If Luigi wins, that’s precedence. Time to pop some brass.*
* brass, meaning c-suite
this post was submitted on 21 Dec 2024
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The US justice system has gone out of its way to make itself not trustworthy. It's surprising it's that high.
Well 3 of 9 judges supported putting in codified ethics I believe. So that means I'd think 33% of them were trustworthy. Throw in 2% for the people who answered, yes I trust them.. because they trust them to act in their own best interests, and we got to 35% haha
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Luigi Mangione has a higher favorability than the US justice system.
That's where we're fucking at.
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Where have those 35% been? It’s been demonstrated rather publicly and blatantly that only power and money matters.
You know how Lincoln said you can fool some of the people all of the time? We now know what percentage.
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30% lost faith when we prosecuted Trump.
35% lost faith when Trump walked.
Seems to track to me!
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When you have judges accepting cash for kids 35% seems outrageously high.
And Biden pardoning said “kids for cash” folks when they are actually held to account.
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I’ll trust the system a bit more after Luigi is acquitted.
Don't hold your breath. They've thrown terrorism enhancements on his fucking charges.
The dead guy was the terrorist. I am far from the only person who thinks so. It takes but one person to play ball during jury selection to ruin the state’s case. Perhaps, at long last, the people will reassert their power over the state.
Only? I'm shocked that it's that high
Every poll has 30% who have unfathomably odd views. Maybe a statistician could explain this phenomenon, but I wonder whether it's just a constant subset of the population who don't pay any attention at all to news or politics and are basically guessing.
Dylan Roof kills 9 black people to start a race war. Luigi popped a CEO who was in charge or a system that killed thousands. Which one gets the terrorism charge and why? To send a message, so the serfs don't get uppity. Why would we trust the system? We all know the resources exist, but we still suffer and starve. Fuck the system and fuck the elites.
Dylan didn't have to be charged with terrorism to get the death penalty in SC. NY State law requires the terrorism charge to be able to sentence Luigi to the death penalty. It's precisely because Luigi didn't kill a bunch of people that they have to tack on the terrorism charge, but them being so bloodthirsty is very likely to backfire. They could have gotten the 2nd degree murder charge and life in prison, but it's gonna be damn near impossible to find 12 people that will convict beyond a reasonable doubt on terrorism.
Sure it highlights how bloodthirsty these ghouls at the top are, but it may not work for them the way they want it to.
Dylan is currently on death row. Waste of taxpayer money if you ask me. Life in prison with no chance of parole is cheaper by multiple factors.
NY State law requires the terrorism charge to be able to sentence Luigi to the death penalty
Life imprisonment; NY State does not have the death penalty
Yeah I just watched a Legal Eagle video on it, apparently the death penalty is coming from the federal charges
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They'll find the 12 jurors they need. If they don't I'm sure they'll have at least 1 that will insist on guilty to make it a hung jury, then it's unlimited do-overs
The terrorism charge also brings his motivation front and center. If it was a 2nd degree murder only, they might have been able to suppress a lot of discussion about UnitedHealth for being irrelevant and prejudicial. But now they not only have to discuss it, but they have to allow the defense to respond to it. If they aren't careful, this could easily open the door to a jury nullification strategy.
Jury nullification isn't an official path to be taken. Many judges will slam on the brakes the moment anyone, anyone at all, even hints at it.
Officially, juries are finders of fact. Did he do the actions needed for each charge? If so, then the verdict must be guilty. They are not finders of law; that's for the judges or legislators.
That said, much like determining which degree of a murder charge, whether "he had it coming/he started it" could play a big part in evidence and testimony.
It's not an official strategy, and the defense can't do anything to overtly encourage it. But they are going to try to make the defendant sympathetic, and given the chance, they will try to get the jury thinking about just how unsympathetic the victim is.
It's incredibly unlikely for sure. The lawyers and judge won't ask anything about intent to nullify but they will ask if you have any prior knowledge or bias and pretty much anyone that intended to nullify would answer yes to those or face jail time for lying in court.
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I know this is all about optics, but I'm sure for all the people who have had to deal with the criminal justice system they also know how shitty it is. 91% of cases result in a guilty plea, 7% end up in some sort of dismissal and only 2% actually go to trial. The system is built to make being guilty the easiest choice, and your lawyer will do everything in their power to get you to take it
The Supreme Court is corrupted, so every court in the country is corrupted
Won't trust it until Trump is in a cell.
There's two justice systems. There's two classes. Until this bullshit ends, it's the same as it ever was.
Blatant corruption, even in the highest court, will do that. Get Thomas out of there. Make Trump pay for his crimes. Otherwise, I guess it's plumbing time.
It’s not just Thomas, it’s Kavanaugh. Men who behave like rabid dogs around women are not emotionally, mentally, and societally stable enough to hold that position. Or shouldn’t be considered as such, but here we are.
Replace them with republicans if you must, either way, treating half the population as less should disqualify you. But it doesn’t, the fact that Trump ran and won on it proves as much.
It’s difficult to avoid states of learned helplessness, I think, when this is our system. I think that’s another piece of the Luigi effect. Breaking that mentality on a large scale. (That’s not an endorsement, it’s a recognition of the psychological impact of that day.)
There's at least 2 others worse than kavanaugh...
Hard to trust something that is not set up or built to work for or protect you.