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After 2-year-old girl shoots self, man becomes first person charged under Michigan's gun storage law (apnews.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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A Michigan man whose 2-year-old daughter shot herself in the head with his revolver last week pleaded not guilty after becoming the first person charged under the state’s new law requiring safe storage of guns.

Michael Tolbert, 44, of Flint, was arraigned Monday on nine felony charges including single counts of first-degree child abuse and violation of Michigan’s gun storage law, said John Potbury, Genesee County’s deputy chief assistant prosecuting attorney.

Tolbert’s daughter remained hospitalized Wednesday in critical condition from the Feb. 14 shooting, Potbury said. The youngster shot herself the day after Michigan’s new safe storage gun law took effect.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

I'm 100% for mandatory safe storage laws and prosecution of those who fail to do so, especially if that failure leads to injury, death, of theft of said firearm and that gun is used in a crime.

Unsecured handguns account for the majority of firearm suicide deaths in the United States, study finds

Overall, firearms used in unintentional injury deaths were often stored loaded (74%) and unlocked (76%) and were most commonly accessed from nightstands and other sleeping areas (30%).

It is difficult to ascertain the exact number of guns that are stolen from individuals in the United States because many of these thefts are not reported to law enforcement. However, estimates from a number of survey studies indicate that roughly 200,000 to 400,000 guns are stolen from individuals each year....Whether taken from gun stores or from individual gun owners, a firearm is stolen every 2 minutes. These stolen guns are often diverted directly into illegal trafficking networks and end up being used in the commission of violent crimes.

The Largest Source of Stolen Guns? Parked Cars.

All stolen guns are available to criminals by definition. Recent studies of adult and juvenile offenders show that many have either stolen a firearm or kept, sold, or traded a stolen firearm: According to the 1991 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those inmates who possessed a handgun, 9% had acquired it through theft, and 28% had acquired it through an illegal market such as a drug dealer or fence. Of all inmates, 10% had stolen at least one gun, and 11% had sold or traded stolen guns.

The Southern [of the USA] region has the highest percentage of house-holds with firearms and the least safe storage practices (Okoro et al. 2005). Not surprisingly, most Southern states are “exporters” of guns traced in crime (Mayors Against Illegal Guns 2010).

So the assholes that need to have guns with them, constantly available, unsecured, because the "might need to access them instantly" or some such nonsense are the very people feeding guns into criminals hands and causing death and injury via accidental shootings and suicides.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Surprised that's a new law. In NM recently, in a particularly stupid case, some 14 year old kid shot his friend, a girl, I think on accident... then dragged her body outside and made up an idiotic story about how it was a unknown-motive drive-by and someone in a black SUV shot her. Anyway, his dad had a ton of guns just casually laying around their trailer or house or whatever. The father has been charged with 'negligent making a firearm accessible to a minor resulting in death'.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gun laws vary by state, my guy.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He pled not guilty? Really?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That can be a claim, whether or not they're disputing the basic facts, that the situation doesn't match the specific crime the defendant is accused of.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If he plead guilty he'd be accepting a felony charge and would have to give up his guns. He's probably holding out for a plea that lets him keep them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty shitty parent/person prioritizing his guns over the safety of his two-year old.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well, I mean, the kid is already injured but they don't have his guns yet!! /S /S /S

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 1 year ago (36 children)

I do not understand how a parent can be so irresponsible as to leave a gun easily accessible in a house with children. Kids are really really resourceful. Its bit like keeping a hyper intelligent racoon inside with a drive to kill itself through curiosity. Guy definitely deserves charges

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Because a gun lock is liberal and gay and if you use one you basically are announcing to the world you just bought Beyoncé tickets.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just like washing your ass.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Or wiping

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

"You wouldn't wear a condom on your man weapon would ya? Why would you safely secure your firearm? Murica! Fuck yeah!" - probably some dumbass

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Man how fucked is this timeline that I had to scratch my head a bit over whether this was a sincere response or a caricature of a particular US demographic?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wrote the goddamn thing and even then I was like holy shit that almost comes off sincere

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[–] [email protected] 253 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Finally, a sensible gun law.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (15 children)

It will get challeged to the Supreme Court and struck down.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/554/570/

"In sum, we hold that the District’s ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense. Assuming that Heller is not disqualified from the exercise of Second Amendment rights, the District must permit him to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They did leave some wiggle room which has allowed the law here in Washington to stick around. Basically if there is a reasonable possibility that a person who is not allowed to handle firearms would have access to them, you can apply restrictions. Guns here have to either be on your person or locked if there is a possibility that your kids could access them.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (11 children)

This isn't preventing him from getting a firearm this is charging somebody with improper storage of a firearm. Not sure how likely it is the supreme Court will rule against it but it's different than the laws challenged so far

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Theses fucks are going to suggest that any mandate on how a person keeps their gun (as in in a box, in a safe, etc) is a restriction on their rights.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

We need an Al Gore like figure who can charismatically drone on about needing a "Locked Box".

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I just don't understand the US and the 2nd. You're not allowed to have a lot of various weapons and it just states that people can be "armed", which could mean a lot of things. And even then, having a gun stored away safely is absolutely not infringing on that right either, as long as you have access to it. This is just obsessive gun fetishism and it constantly gets people killed, including little kids.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's literally gun fetishism. Full stop.

The people who will angrily defend 2a are perfectly happy watching children die if it means they get to keep their guns. They'll give you all kinds of excuses, they'll come up with all manner of justifications, but the truth is, they just like feeling powerful and are willing to sacrifice innocent lives for it.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Supreme Court has ruled that you're allowed "bearable arms", so essentially anything that can be carried, for self defense. And that requiring a weapon be kept locked up defeats the purpose of self defense.

Oregon has a law that requires guns be locked up, but dodges the self defense aspect by allowing an exception for guns under the direct control of the owner.

So if I'm home and in direct control of my guns, they don't have to be secured. If I leave home or am not otherwise present, they do.